From: Jeanne Sweeney
Date: Thu, 31 Oct 1996 08:33:42 -0500
Subject: Re: Re[2]: McCartha Drive
>@Baker postcard. Nothing fancy... black type on white paper, but it
>explains enough for someone to find us.
>Bob '65
Why don't you make the card a .gif file and attach it to the list email?
That way we could all view it in our Internet browser and maybe *with your
permission* use it ourselves....
Jeannie '65
From: Steve Crawford
Date: Thu, 31 Oct 1996 05:32:18 -0800
Subject: Re: Re[2]: McCartha Drive
I read your remark about the postcard? Do you think there would be a
good use for one? If so, how about a four-color front and info about
Baker.HS.org on the back...
Maybe it could be distributed at reunions....
or people could send an S.A.S.E. and we could send them five or ten to send
on????
If someone has an excellent transparancy of Baker (I'm sure they're
out there) I would be interested in donating the postcard. A nice frontal
shot (don't get excited) with maybe a bunch of people ... or it seems to me
that somewhere, someday I saw a photo of the school with people forming a
BHS on the front lawn? It may have been and old B&W...but we could do a B&W
postcard.... I would prefer color!
From: MR ROY COOK
Date: Thu, 31 Oct 1996 12:42:49, -0500
Subject: RE:Fletcher Ave
I too was a Fletcher Ave resident, residing at 806 Fletcher. My
sister is Martha Cook Earles, class of 63. She lives in Union
Springs, Al, my birthplace, with her husband, Ronald, a Baptist
Minister of a small Country Church.
I'm new on the net, so some of
the info I'm sharing may be "old hat".
Lamar Taylor passed away
several years ago (cancer).
I never knew I was poor until I visited
Richard Bunn , who lived on Peyton Dr. in a split level, I thought he
was rich.
Talk to you soon,
Roy Sunshine Cook
From: C. Rolf Milton
Date: Thu, 31 Oct 1996 09:35:48 -0900
Subject: Re: RE:Fletcher Ave
How are you? Jeez, I haven't seen you since about 1964. Have a great day!
Rolf '67
From: Jeanne Sweeney
Date: Thu, 31 Oct 1996 16:20:09 -0500
Subject: RE:Fletcher Ave
Your *ears must have been burnin* 'cause we were remembering you and chatting about who has seen you lately and what you have been doing. I have such fond memories of what a nice and upbeat person you were when we were in high school. Welcome!
It seems like more Baker alums are joining every week. It is great having
you all join us. -- Referring back to the newspaper column I wrote about
having Baker on the Internet -- it seems we are still short on preachers :).
Jeannie '65
From: Sandye Smith
Date: Thu, 31 Oct 1996 18:01:30 -0500 (EST)
Subject: [none]
Ann did go to nursing school but it was at St. Francis in Columbus. I was also a student there and Ann was my "big sister" but she dropped out to marry Don.
I will tell her hello for you. FYI, she never lost her love of nursing and works with home health now.
P.S. I remember you from our bus and school.
W.J. Orr - The church remained Benning Park Baptist but due to poor attendance was closed several months ago. I too attended there and was baptised there.
You might remember two of my sisters who were at Baker during the 50's, Charlotte and Frieda Johnson.
Sandye '64
From: Mike Omelanuk
Date: Thu, 31 Oct 1996 21:47:33 -0500
Subject: Christmas Cards
<< I can't wait until Christmas card time so that I can let some of those once a year friends know about this chat area. >>
Be sure to mention the monthly summaries so your friends can "catch up" to the group or (dare I say it) @PRIDE!
In a message dated 96-10-31 04:02:00 EST, Bob '65 wrote:
<< Hah! In a sleepless moment (like this one!) I actually designed an @Baker postcard. Nothing fancy... black type on white paper, but it explains enough for someone to find us. I may have to drop by Kinko's and get some of them printed up so people can include them in Christmas mailings. >>
Bob, How about scanning them in and putting them where we can FTP?
BTW - what is the FTP site address?
Mike '64
From: MR ROY COOK
Date: Thu, 31 Oct 1996 22:51:33, -0500
Subject: RE:Fletcher Ave
I am new at computing, so this is such a thrill for me to find Ya'll
on the internet. I attended Baker in the 1st and 2nd grade, then I
transferred to Muscogee Elementary. My first friend was Allen Bowen,
he passed away in 1989 of a heart attack, sure do miss him.
Roy
From: MR ROY COOK
Date: Thu, 31 Oct 1996 23:06:02, -0500
Subject: Re: RE:Fletcher Ave
Roy
From: W.J. Orr
Date: Fri, 1 Nov 1996 01:53:20 -0500
Subject: Re: No Subject
Thanks for info on church. Kinda sad to know it is not operative any longer. It meant so much to me, my family, and friends in my youth. I don't remember your sisters. ( age strikes again!). What class ?
W.J. Orr '59
From: C. Rolf Milton
Date: Thu, 31 Oct 1996 22:56:02 -0800
Subject: Re: Reunion for 1967 class
Is there an organized effort to put together a '67 class reunion this coming year? I've decided that I would attend, not matter what. Considering that many Bakerites were forced to graduate from Hardaway, would a joint reunion for that year be something logical?
How can I help?
Rolf '67
From: C. Rolf Milton
Date: Thu, 31 Oct 1996 22:52:42 -0800
Subject: Re: RE:Fletcher Ave
Glad to read it! Are you still in Columbus or have you, like most of us, scattered to one of the compass directions?
Rolf '67
From: Ron Johnson
Date: Fri, 1 Nov 1996 06:28:56 -0500 (EST)
Subject: bouncing mail
I recently decided to change from getting all the messages to getting
the digest. Subscribing to the digest worked just fine -- getting off the
other list hasnt' worked so well: my mail bounces. This morning, when I
tried again using the address in your "Mailing List Administrivia" message,
my message bounced again. I am pasting it in below for your perusal -- I'm
sure it will mean a lot more to you than it did to me.
Am I doing
something wrong?
Here's the message I got: Deleted for brevity (MRO)
Ron Johnson
From: R. Elaine Graves (Baker)
Date: 1 Nov 1996 10:34:18 EDT
Subject: Re: Roy Cook
Thanks Rolf for the class of 67 "link" you emailed me.
I just wanted to say to Roy...a really big THANK YOU. You were probably "The Most Popular Guy" at Baker in 1967. I know you as the "kindest". I think you probably helped a lot of people without realizing how sweet you were for doing it at the time. Everyone talked about you at Baker, as if you were the best person in the "World"! I was over by the size of Baker in 67. It seemed so large, with so many students. There was so much going on! I was so new and felt so out of place. We moved into the house on Trask Drive in Columbus only short weeks before school started.
I came to Columbus, Georgia, as an Army Brat from Fayetteville, NC where I lived for 13 months with my Mom and siblings while my Dad was with the 249th Engineers who were building Camrahn Bay, Vietnam in 1966. We (his dependents) had been given orders to vacate base housing at Ft Wolters (Mineral Wells, Texas where we had spent 8 very, short months) when Dad volunteered for Vietnam. Mom opted to move to Fayetteville, NC where they had bought a house during previous tour at Ft Bragg. Before Texas, Dad was stationed at Etaine Caserne. We attended school at the Verdun American School, Verdun, France. I was travel worn by the time by the time I landed at Baker High.
Roy...you were so sweet to me (a virtual stranger). In fact, you
seemed to have kind words for everyone. You were always surrounded
by other students. I got to Baker too late to join any clubs
or get involved. It seems all clubs were filled the year (?) before.
But you made me welcome each and everytime I talked to you. I do not
know what you considered "poor". We did not consider ourselves rich.
It was hard for my family to get "on our feet" financially when we were
constantly moving. If you were in fact, "poor" economically,
YOU certainly were "rich", spiritually.
Thus you will always be regarded, in my book.
R. Elaine Graves '67
From: Al Sciarrino
Date: Fri, 01 Nov 1996 11:58:49 -0500 (EST)
Subject: Re: Roy Cook
when were you at Ft. Bragg? I was there from 1958-to the Spring
of 19 63, when I entered Baker. I attended St. Patricks, 71st High, and
Fayetteville Senior High.
Al '64
(I was in downtown
Fayetteville...Fatalburg...the day Buddy Holly was killed, and can remember
it like yesterday.
From: Al Sciarrino
Date: Fri, 01 Nov 1996 12:01:46 -0500 (EST)
Subject: Re: Reunion for 1967 class
is that why I can't find Margaret Wright and Kitty Cole in your class
list...did they end up at Hardaway????
Al '64
(Back then I dated them as a
senior when they were freshman. If my daughter tries that I'll go
ballistice!!! (Ha)
From: MR ROY COOK
Date: Fri, 1 Nov 1996 17:48:46, -0500
Subject: Re: RE:Fletcher Ave
Yep, still reside here, but not on Fletcher Ave (ha, ha). Lived in
Cleveland, Ohio, in the early 80's, too darn cold for me. However, I
did start to grow some facial hair, Had to be the climate. Move back
home and it never grew again.
Roy, 68
From: C. Richard Tolbert
Date: Fri, 1 Nov 1996 18:51:46 -0500
Subject: Re: McCartha Drive
This is old information, but from what I understand, Donna Devine is in Kansas City, Mo.. She is an airline stewardess for TWA. I left there in 1979, but my brother Ronnie (1965) is still there, and he mentioned to me a couple of years ago that she was still there. You are right, she is a very sweet person and I enjoyed the time I spent with her. John Chase was also there at the time, but I don't know where he is now. Donna and Kathy's parents live in Clearwater, Florida. He is retired from Eckerd's Drugs security.
Rick Tolbert 1967
From: C. Richard Tolbert
Date: Fri, 1 Nov 1996 18:43:26 -0500
Subject: Re: RE:Fletcher Ave
I knew you would show up sooner or later. I've see you around town and wonder if you were on the net. You probably don't remember me, but you were unforgettable. I am with the 1967 group, my brothers Ronnie and Barry were 1965. My oldest brother graduated in 1961 with Newt.
Glad you are here,
Rick Tolbert 1967
From: Glenda
Date: Fri, 1 Nov 1996 21:06:55 -0500
Subject: Re: RE:Fletcher Ave
Remember the sock hops,
Sue Ball, Jeri White, Maryann Caldwell. We had a lot of fun.
Have a great day! Glenda
From: MR ROY COOK
Subject: Re: RE:Fletcher Ave
Date: Thursday, October 31, 1996 7:00 PM
Hi Rolf,
Yep, still reside here, but not on Fletcher Ave (ha, ha). Lived in
Cleveland, Ohio, in the early 80's, too darn cold for me. However, I
did start to grow some facial hair, Had to be the climate. Move back
home and it never grew again.
Roy, 68
From: C. Rolf Milton
Date: Fri, 1 Nov 1996 21:23:08 -0800
Subject: Re: Reunion for 1967 class
I think so. Many were forcefully deported to that new school. It's the reason you don't see the names Bobby Peters, Ken Deaton, and many more. I would imagine that this is what happened to Margaret and Kitty, though I don't recall either of them.
BTW, I'm still waiting for a call from the bookstore so I can read your book "OCS" It's not out of print is it?
Rolf '67
From: C. Rolf Milton
Date: Fri, 1 Nov 1996 21:26:37 -0800
Subject: Re: RE:Fletcher Ave
I had a beard for years and just recently shaved it off; couldn't get up enough nerve to shave off the mustache, though. I'm afraid to - don't have clue what's underneath! My wife swears I don't have an upper lip since she's never seen it.
Great "talking" to ya!
Rolf '67
From: MR ROY COOK
Date: Sun, 3 Nov 1996 09:28:56, -0500
Subject: Re: RE:Fletcher Ave
How's it going, I certainly remember the sock hops, such fun. We
need to have our next reunion with a "sock hop" theme. My favorite
dance was the PC. (the Panama City Bop). It was a take-off of the
shag of South Carolina. I'm still in Columbus.
See ya.
Roy
From: MR ROY COOK
Date: Sun, 3 Nov 1996 09:21:00, -0500
Subject: Re: Roy Cook
Thank you so much for the kind words you wrote about me. It meant so
much. Are you planning to attend the class of '67 reunion if they
have one? Would love to see you and the rest of the class. Although
I was a member of the class of 68 , I had many friends in '67 class.
Roy
From: MR ROY COOK
Date: Sun, 3 Nov 1996 09:36:46, -0500
Subject: Re: RE:Fletcher Ave
Glad to be part of the net, although I'm not completely sure on how
it works. I remember you and your brothers, I believe one of them
was a Policer Officer at one time. I met his wife at the Chickasaw
20 years ago. She was visiting friends, and we struck up a
conversation and I told her that I went to school with her husband.
Roy 1968
From: R. Elaine Graves (Baker)
Date: 4 Nov 1996 09:58:26 EDT
Subject: Re: Roy Cook
Wasn't he in a plane crash?
Let me see...We came from Blackstone, Virginia (where we waited for Dad
to come home from Korea in 1956-1957). We moved from Blackstone, where
my Grandfather had a Black Angus Beef farm and Grandma had 300 chickens
and a large egg route, to Lillington, NC.
I attended Lillington Elementary in 1957......
Then we moved to Fayetteville, to the house on Oakmont circle,
off MacArthur Road (the one my parents bought) in 1958. I went
to Long Hill Elementary School from 1958 till June of 1961.
I turned
thirteen (13) years old on July 15, 1961. We left for France by way
of New York a few days later. (I remember the elegance of the King George
Hotel in New York, even though we were packed 2 adults and 3 children
in the one room.
We left on an Army ship, "The Patch", from New York harbor.
Our time in France was one adventure after another, my parents
constantly travelled from country to country for short visits to the
families of some of Dad's old friends. My french came back to me
that I learned as "la petite mademoiselle d'Americain a L'Ecole Francaise"
in La Ferte Saint Aubin, near Orleans, France. My brother, Terrence Andre
(Terry) who never attended the french school, learned his french hanging out
with the french boys and GIRLS at the soccer stadium across the street.
We lived in a sweet french house surrounded by my Dad's garden.
We went to market every Tuesday and except for attending the Verdun
American School, did pretty much as the French.
When Kennedy was assassinated, everything changed.
My dad had to go back to the states, immediately.
(We were some of the first to leave France).
It was traumatic for me...I felt I was being ripped away from
my homeland (?).
But Dad never allowed us to cry or act badly.
So no tears were shed, we were packed, out of our lovely house
and in the Terminus hotel in a couple of days.
we came home on the commercial liner, the "SS United States". It broke
the Queen Mary's record for speed that year between the European continent
and North America. It was a great four (4) day trip but it was turbulent!
Dad reported to DC. Then, we stopped for 30 days enroute to Ft Wolters,
Texas, at my Grandfather's Black Angus Beef farm. We helped our
"Dunker" Grandparents with the farm and Grandma's 300 chickens and egg
route. But that's another story.
R. Elaine Graves '67
From: Deborah Valentine
Date: Mon, 4 Nov 1996 10:15:12 -0500
Subject: Elaine's Life
Deborah Alderman Valentine, '66
From: R. Elaine Graves (Baker)
Date: 4 Nov 1996 11:52:34 EDT
Subject: Re: Roy Cook
LI>Are you planning to attend the class of '67 reunion if they have one?
I certainly do...Whenever there is another one.....
they probably already had one though...didn't they?
When I was married...I was isolated a lot...strange husband...
alcoholic. I didn't get to go out much. If I defied him, it caused
trouble for myself and sometimes for my little boy. I learned not to
ask for much. I know I missed the one here for the class of 67
at Pine Forest High (where I went in 66) Tommy Baker said I
didn't graduate from Pine Forest so I shouldn't be allowed to go...
And I accepted that!!!! I certainly have regretted being such a rabbit
in my past....
But today is a new day!!! I have had some assertiveness training
and a lot of interaction with a lot of people. Bunches of stuff happened
to prise me out of that bad marriage! I had a lot of help.
And man, am I glad!
I am a lot better person for it and I learned a lot from it.
I saw that you had been divorced, too. And now remarried!
I am very glad for you. Life can be lonely when you live by yourself.
I have 5 cats and a dog though...and I talk to my many plants. I do
herb gardening. I am fascinated by plants. I have my share of friends
in my neighborhood. I go to the Unity Church in on Leesville Road in
Raleigh. So many of my friends live in surrounding communities and in
Raleigh, NC.
Let me know if you hear of a reunion.
From: R. Elaine Graves (Baker)
Date: 4 Nov 1996 16:08:28 EDT
Subject: Elaine's Life
LI>Elaine, your memories are fascinating. I hope you're keeping copies of
everything, because you really ought to write a book based on your life.
I used to keep copies on here but they are regularly wiped out by whims
of the server...
I used to think it would be a depressing book.
Why would anyone want to read a book that would make them cry?
I guess it would depend on the angle that one used...maybe if one could
also make them laugh. But, could I do that?
And would it be fair to my son...to mention his father's transgressions in
print? Or his mother's?
And would it be respectful to my dead father's memory, to tell the world
how brutal he could be?
Maybe someday...when I answer the questions, I will. I don't know.
I do thank you for your thoughts, though. I am glad I don't bore you
and I would truly love to meet you all. Sometimes memories of a person
come flooding back and then I remember they were at another school. My
memories get a little jagged here and there. I moved soooo much. But I
did get to go places and see a lot. I did meet a lot of people.
From: Johnny Joiner
Date: Tue, 05 Nov 1996 12:54:26 -0500
Subject: Roy Cook
There's not much happening on the mailing list right now, so I thought I'd spend a few minutes, bringing you up to date on the last thirty or so years of my life ( not really ).
When we left Columbus in ' 63, we spent three years in Hawaii where I graduated from high school. Spent four years in the Air Force after that, during which I married a Canadian girl. From Canada, I was stationed in Niagara Falls, N.Y. where my first child ( daughter ) was born.
Upon discharge, in 1970, I came back to Hinesville, Ga 'cause that's where Mom and Dad were, and I was unemployed with a wife and a two year old baby ( Know what I mean ? ).
I went to work with the local phone company, as a technician, about three weeks later, and pretty much have spent the last 27 years with them. We are an Independent Company, but are pretty big for an Indep- endent. We also are a Long Distance Provider, as well as an Internet Provider.
Daddy died of a stroke in 1983, but Mother is still doing well, and lives here in Hinesville, as does Bobby. Tommy is in Bonaire, and Eddie lives in Ellerslie.
Ed's wife, Christa ( Wells ), keeps me well informed about Columbus and the old crowd from Baker. I don't talk to her as much as I use to, but I still keep up on the news. She told me that you had become quite an accomplished dancer around town, that you were some kind of a Playboy or something, once upon a time. Is that true ?
Gotta run, hope to hear from you soon.
Johnny Joiner ' 65
P. S. I also have a son ( Randy ), whose twenty five and in the Air Force right now. Damn, I'm old. Fifty in nineteen more days, but loving it.
From: MR ROY COOK
Date: Tue, 5 Nov 1996 20:23:13, -0500
Subject: Roy Cook
Great to hear from you. My last 30 years, let's see. Oh yea, I got
married in my Sophomore year at Columbus College, my daughter was
born a year later. Stayed married to Melinda for 5 years, and was
divorced many years. I did dance quite a bit in my younger days, and
wished I was a Playboy.
In 1994, I remarried an older woman ( 2 yrs
older) from Columbus, Teresa Helms ( Jordan Hi ).
I've lived in Columbus most of my life, however, I did live in
Cleveland, Ohio for 4 years.
I've been working in the natural gas industry for 10 years as a
market development representative. That a big title for one who
tries to convert total electric customers to gas.
I told mom and dad that I communicated with you on the internet, they
told me to tell you, hi. Hi.
I'm sorry to hear about your dad. I'm very fortunate to have both my
parents alive. My wife lost her mother last summer. Went in for
knee surgery, and never came out. Her father died in 1977, so I'm
all she has except for her kids.
I don't know if you remember Buddy and Leria Walden, they lived next to us on the right as you face our house. Their oldest daughter was killed last Friday evening in an auto accident.
Well, enough gloom. Tell the family we said hi. Let's keep in touch.
Sunshine '68
From: Charles W. Trotter
Date: Wed, 6 Nov 1996 00:44:48 -0500
Subject: Re: Roy Cook
I went to school & worked w/ Liria at AT&T & BellSouth. It was really sad about Sandra, who was her youngest daughter, not older. She was just 30 & had only been married a few years. I understand that her husband is having a pretty rough time now as is Liria, Buddy, Melany, & Mike. Melany & Mike are the surviving siblings.
Just thought you might want to know.
Deanna Trotter (Tinker) class of '62
From: Al Sciarrino
Date: Wed, 06 Nov 1996 10:43:02 -0500 (EST)
Subject: Re: Roy Cook
Sorry.
Al '64
From: Johnny Joiner
Date: Wed, 06 Nov 1996 11:47:03 -0500
Subject: Re: Roy Cook
It maybe be that someone else is interested, and it just might be that they may find some common ground. I kinda thought that this was what it's all about.
However, if your feelings are hurt, I sincerely apologize to you, and your tired finger ( from touching a delete button ).
You have no problem with me wasting your valuable time anymore.
Johnny Joiner ' 65
From: FNHayson
Date: Wed, 6 Nov 1996 11:55:33 -0500
Subject: Re: Roy Cook
FNHayson
From: Al Sciarrino
Date: Wed, 06 Nov 1996 12:22:55 -0500 (EST)
Subject: Re: Roy Cook
Sounds like I touched a nerve with you. Hey, I've probably been guilty
of it myself. It's just that as people begin to direct comment especially to
a particular person or persons, it may be better to just e-mail to THAT OR
THOSE specific persons. I'm starting to see rather personal messages here,
and I thought @ Baker comment was to be more general in nature to ensure
more common BAKER ground.
Please don't worry about my tired
fingers...obviously you and others are free to say whatever you want. I have
a different view in that more general discussions should take place here. I
don't view it as a personal chat room. Another thing, as happened earlier
when many went nuts over someone having the audacity to actually criticize
Baker, I hope opposite viewpoints like mine are not looked upon as
automatically suspicious. I'm making a friendly comment, and invite friendly
agreement or disagreement. No need for anyone to be snide.
Al '64
From: Don Stauffer
Date: Wed, 6 Nov 1996 12:35:55 -0500 (EST)
Subject: Good to be back.
Keep of the good work.
- -Don Stauffer '85
From: WConner237
Date: Wed, 6 Nov 1996 13:13:49 -0500
Subject: Not for Al
Chip '76
From: R. Elaine Graves (Baker)
Date: 6 Nov 1996 13:06:08 EDT
Subject: Re: Roy Cook
Maybe your comment could have been made privately. It "came across",
somewhat as an 'attack'. Maybe you meant it differently...but I for
one was taken aback. I was surprised it came from Al '64....
R. Elaine Graves '67
P.S. I would have sent this for your eyes alone, but...
I don't believe I have YOUR email address since most of these
comments come through "@baker". I do have Roy's, Jeannie's, Rolf's,
Sandye's, Kathy's, Clifton's, Wilson's, Marie's, etc. (email addresses)
since they wrote comments in separate messages (not using the quoting)
on a message from "@Baker".
Whenever I see one on here (private email address), I write them down. I
like this set up since some of my attempts at email have not worked on
here or....maybe the party just didn't want to answer. I apologize "up
front" if I, myself...have gotten personal to the point of bad taste
with you or with anyone else. My email address is as follows:
R. Elaine Graves (Baker)@deleted
From: R. Elaine Graves (Baker)
Date: 6 Nov 1996 12:39:58 EDT
Subject: Re: Roy Cook
MAYBE AL is just having a bad day...
I am extremely interested in what has happened to each of you.
I never met Johnny before or AL but we certainly have talked alot
about Al's book and other things that someone might consider a little
personal. I don't think any of what you have said was what I would
consider "highly personal". I also thought this was kind of a 'reunion'
atmosphere. I would like to continue with it just as we have been
doing. Anyone else?
R. Elaine Baker '67
From: Al Sciarrino
Date: Wed, 06 Nov 1996 13:32:55 -0500 (EST)
Subject: Re: Roy Cook
I believe my message is being misinterpreted. I do also enjoy
@Baker. However, recently it seems that highly personalized messages have
come in which I find myself deleting immediately as they do not relate to
me. Yesterday, I went through about seven messages, none of any real general
interest...nor intended to be it appeared. Actually, I was disappointed in
not feeling part of the intended audience!
I often go off @Baker and get an individual e-mail address to
personalize a message. I've done this with Deborah, Sandye, Lannie, Dick and
others. I think traffic on the @Baker highway should be limited, if
possible, to matters of general interest to all Baker grads. As one finds a
former close friend to share family matters with, etc., it seems more
appropriate to go to a personal e-mail. If I'm the only one that feels this
way, certainly I can be totally ignored.
Just raising the topic folks. I'm interested mainly in Baker
history, the history of my class, including the general history of each
student, (all @Baker topics) and learning the personal history of former
friends and developing new friendships with personal insights that can be
best addressed by personal e-mails.
Al '64
From: R. Elaine Graves (Baker)
Date: 6 Nov 1996 13:53:38 EDT
Subject: Re: Roy Cook
I think, Al, that we each handle things in
our own little way. Some of us just listen...some delete...some do a
little bit of both...I am class of 67...I think maybe we now have 10 on
here regularly who are from my class....most of the time the class of 64
and 65...which is heavily represented and understandably so, "talks" to
each other....I have commented and I have listened...now and then .... I
go through and delete...but when I DO see someone on here who "shakes my
tree", "rattles my cage", "touches my heart" or in any way makes me want
to "shout"....hooray....you may all have to turn down the volume or
delete, delete, delete...cause when I get excited...I get emotional...so
make it wildly excited....I was soooo pleased to see Roy...because I had
personally talked to him at some time in my crazy mixed up
childhood...so I spoke with him...online and offline.
no apology here.
r. elaine groves '67
From: Al Sciarrino
Date: Wed, 06 Nov 1996 14:44:23 -0500 (EST)
Subject: Re: Roy Cook
Al '64
From: MR ROY COOK
Date: Wed, 6 Nov 1996 15:31:09, -0500
Subject: Re: Roy Cook
Thank you so much for the information about Liria's daughter. I
received my information second hand.
Many thanks,
Roy
From: R. Elaine Graves (Baker)
Date: 6 Nov 1996 15:45:44 EDT
Subject: Re: acceptable or not acceptable topics
I only enter this here...because sometimes it seems others in this
"real" world like to dictate to others, what topics are real and
acceptable and what topics are unreal and uncacceptable. There are many
people who would be much more acceptable to new ideas and old ones....if
the manner in which they were presented was more democratic.
In Mr. Bruce's senior government class in 1967...we learned how laws
were made. We were divided into two groups, the House (of
Representatives) and the Senate. New "laws" were put before us daily.
We discussed them. We voted. Sometimes there were recalls on votes
and more discussion when the "law" was rewritten and reintroduced. But
it was a Democratic process.
What does this have to do with the recent comments from Al as to which
of our discussion "topics" are suitable and which are not? Well, let us
look at how it was presented. It was not brought before the group for
discussion. Al did not say..."Hey you guys" to all of us and ask for
our thoughts or feelings on the subject. He was purely autocratic,
jumping to the soapbox and shouting...HEY COOL IT!!! Do not speak!!
HEY, DON'T YOU HEAR ME? I SAID, I DON'T LIKE THAT TOPIC!! IT IS NOT
PURELY " @BAKER SUBJECT MATERIAL! DON'T SPEAK, UNLESS IT DEALS WITH
CERTAIN SUBJECTS! Who do we ask, AL? Before we speak to each
other...Al, who would you have us ask if we can or not speak to each
other, using this medium? Where do we clear our subject material?
Where do we find the list? (You know, Al, the list of ACCEPTABLE @Baker
topics)? Al, send me your email address and my highly personal comments
concerning your OPINION will be directed directly TO you....not AT YOU
and not "@Baker", either.
I thought this was "our" space. I thought
the only requirement to speak freely here was to have attended Baker
High School at some time or another in your life. I thought the '64 and
'65 guys (excuse me ladies...the word "guys" is loosely spoken here...
women ARE/WERE included) who thought up this page, AND executed it so
that could ALL join in, not just GRADUATES! I was never cautioned by
Bob, or Johnny or Jeannie or Mike or Sandye (...did I miss anyone?) to
speak only a certain way on certain topics. No one sent me a list of
topics. No one told me to check with Al, or stay on the subject, or
talk only to classmates from my class. I found it very "free" to be in
this forum. Because that is what @baker is; it is a forum.
At Baker High we were encouraged to express ourselves, freely, as long
as, it hurt not one person. I have valued your opinion, Al, when I
have seen it expressed on here in a non-biased, non-hurtful way. But
today, Al...I would not hire you as a lawyer.
Please, take a tonic...have a cup of chamomile tea, or a hot bath...get
yourself together in whatever way you do best, and let's ALL start over
tomorrow.
Rosanna Elaine Graves Baker......Graduating class of 1967.
From: Al Sciarrino
Date: Wed, 06 Nov 1996 16:41:14 -0500 (EST)
Subject: Re: acceptable or not acceptable topics
I'm sad and sorry you're so hostile. I guess you have no clear idea
of what I mean. Then again, frankly, since you continue to spill out your
personal life in graphic terms I find offensive, why would you? Please keep
that sort of thing off @Baker so we all can enjoy it.
Al '64
From: Bob Brown
Date: Wed, 6 Nov 96 18:29:35 EST
Subject: About the @Baker Mailing List
Electronic mail discussion lists aren't everyone's cup of tea, but we've managed to get together a group of over 120 people here, and mostly we're enjoying chatting with each other.
There's already one option for people whose time is limited, the Lions-Digest mailing list. That wraps a day's worth of Lions-L e-mail into one message, transmitted early each morning.
I'm wondering about other options. One thing we could do is start a Lions-Announce list which would be used only for announcements of general interest, leaving Lions-L for chat. People not wanting to miss things like reunion announcements, etc. could join Lions-Announce and unsubscribe from Lions-L.
Another option is to start a separate "chat" list.
What I really *don't* want to do is get too fragmented. It takes a critical mass of 100 or so subscribers before a list starts to get interesting. We've just passed that mark, and I don't want to get things so fragmented that we lose our momentum.
What does everyone think?
--Bob 65
From: MR ROY COOK
Date: Wed, 6 Nov 1996 19:19:55, -0500
Subject: About the @Baker Mailing List
Roy '68
From: John Small
Date: Wed, 6 Nov 1996 19:35:10 -0500
Subject: Re: acceptable or not acceptable topics
John Small '64
From: Al Muehlke
Date: Wed, 6 Nov 1996 18:29:57 -0700
Subject: Re: acceptable or not acceptable topics
Just got home & waded thru 63 messages. It only SEEMS like they were all the great "ACCEPTABLE" material debate. Gee, rememeber the Beatles "Let It Be?" Crank up those memories guys.
Amidst the debate, anybody notice another Baker alum did ok for himself yesterday??
Al '69
From: C. Rolf Milton
Date: Wed, 6 Nov 1996 16:23:50 -0800
Subject: Re: Roy Cook
I agree with you, but what happened to all the humor and friendly needling I used to see here?
Rolf '67
From: C. Rolf Milton
Date: Wed, 6 Nov 1996 16:21:26 -0800
Subject: Re: "Reunion Atmosphere"
I agree with you that it is fun to see folks sharing the past. I would not have known that two former neighbors (McCartha Drive) were regulars on this forum.
However, I also understand what Al is trying to say (darn, maybe I should run for office), but I haven't had any objection to anything that I've read as being too personal!?
The most humorous thing about this exchange has been that Sunshine has been the subject line on every message. How's it feel to be famous Roy?
Rolf '67
From: WConner237
Date: Wed, 6 Nov 1996 21:02:46 -0500
Subject: Re: About the @Baker Mailing List
I vote that we keep @Baker just the way it is!!!!
- -Chip '76
From: MR ROY COOK
Date: Wed, 6 Nov 1996 21:38:36, -0500
Subject: Re: "Reunion Atmosphere"
Didn't mean to cause such a controversy. I'll get the hang of things soon. I'll keep this brief.
Roy'68
From: Mforinash
Date: Wed, 6 Nov 1996 22:16:42 -0500
Subject: anyone hear of group process?
The good news is that after we get down to who we really are and work out the bugs in our communication, it will likely end up being a more cohesive group. In that vein I think it is important to voice our differences and hear each other. (Can you tell what I do for a living?)
Michele Forinash Aziz '74
From: C. Rolf Milton
Date: Wed, 6 Nov 1996 21:47:17 -0800
Subject: Re: anyone hear of group process?
Rolf '67
From: C. Rolf Milton
Date: Wed, 6 Nov 1996 21:45:39 -0800
Subject: Re: "Reunion Atmosphere"
always the troublemaker; what can I say :-))
Rolf '67
From: WILSON C GRIER
Date: Thu, 7 Nov 1996 08:14:13 -0500 (EST)
Subject: Re: Lions Digest V1 #196
I'm following the discussion also.....that's the point. I think the digest is working fine. It's in my mail box once a day...I review it by scrolling, and delete it with one stroke...also can edit it for reply, this is an example. As the listmeister, I know that you have tried to provide the education for subscription to the digest versus individual mailing....probably need to keep broadcasting the info so that more of the subscribers are getting the digest and one mailing a day versus multiple mailings everyday.
Thanks for the hard work....the digest is not broke....don't believe that it needs fixing. If anything, I think we need to draw the circle bigger....allowing for all of our differences and temperment.
GO LIONS!!!!!! FIGHT LIONS!!!!! WIN!!!
Wilson '65
From: Roth Ron
Date: Thu, 7 Nov 1996 08:10:00 -0500
Subject: Discussions
Ron Roth
From: Jeanne Sweeney
Date: Thu, 07 Nov 1996 08:49:38 -0500
Subject: Re: Lions Digest V1 #196
Elaine, your idea of capturing email addresses of individuals for personal correspondence is also a great idea. I have met or remet so many Baker friends on this list. Thank you all for your input.
Jeannie '65
From: bob burton
Date: Thu, 7 Nov 1996 9:30:56 -0500
Subject: Re[2]: Lions Digest V1 #196
My vote is to just let things flow.
Bob Burton '66
From: W.J. Orr
Date: Thu, 7 Nov 1996 09:41:23 -0500
Subject: Re: Roy Cook
My opinion is that all should just use their best judgement. If I have to delete something I find to be of no interest to me, then so be it. Its sort of like one man's trash being the other man's treasure. Constructive criticism is always in order but lets not try to make something bad out of a good thing.
W.J. Orr '59
From: W.J. Orr
Date: Thu, 7 Nov 1996 09:49:42 -0500
Subject: Re: About the @Baker Mailing List
All is fine as is. Thanks for your work in establishing the BHS page.
WJOrr '59
From: W.J. Orr
Date: Thu, 7 Nov 1996 09:51:50 -0500
Subject: Re: acceptable or not acceptable topics
About whom are you speaking?
W.J. Orr '59
From: Don Stauffer
Date: Thu, 7 Nov 1996 09:57:11 -0500 (EST)
Subject: Re: About the @Baker Mailing List
For those who like to drink their coffee from the thermos, there is the digest format as you had mentioned.
While @Baker is growing, I don't think it is large enough to fragment into a multiple list architecture.
Remember, simple is beautiful.
Don Stauffer '85
From: Elmer H. Young Young
Date: Thu, 7 Nov 96 15:47:52 UT
Subject: RE: Changes
Some smart person once said that we all remain adolecent emotionally and thats not so bad if you are really interested in feeling. About the only thing thast ceased the chatter then was " last bell" and time passing. So let me contribute a " ding, ding and let's move along to class now kids.( besides, Mr. Boyles is watching!)
Pete '63
From: R. Elaine Graves (Baker)
Date: 7 Nov 1996 10:33:54 EDT
Subject: Re: New Al?
I mean, did you know my sister, Sandra Ann Graves? She is a teacher in Saint Pauls...she lives in Fayetteville and commutes to work....she doesn't have a computer at home either. I am Elaine....R. Elaine Groves '67 in the 67 annual. She was in the class of '69.
What is your full name?
From: R. Elaine Graves (Baker)
Date: 7 Nov 1996 11:04:10 EDT
Subject: Re: "Reunion Atmosphere"
I do not agree with the older Al, however, that I was "graphic", ..but maybe he meant that I was descriptive with words. How WOULD Mr. Liebendorfer say that with ONE word???? What IS the word? YO!!!!! Mr. Daniel Webster???? YO!!!!!!! Mr. Liebendorfer??????
And...as for Sunshine (Roy Cook) being famous...that's what I wanted him to know the other day, (when he lst signed on). He was a "man among men" when I was at Baker High in 1967. I didn't know him personally. I knew very few people. I was super self-conscious. The only time I forgot my shyness then was when I was in a class where I knew the territory. I was good at relating to some of the teachers...I made good grades except in Math. I was chosen by Mr. Liebendorfer as his Honor Student...I don't remember making higher than a "b" in his class (???... but he tried to put me out... because I made those "b's"...into accellerated English IV.
I never went to sock hops. At the prom...I only danced with one guy...my date. I was engaged to be married to a boy in Fayetteville whose name just happened to be Baker. I went to the prom with John Du Champ whose name doesn't even show up in the annual?????? I was nobody important at Baker High....except maybe to a few friends that I had just met that year and to Mr. Leibendorfer. I am not trying to be anybody but myself, here.
As Liebendorfer would say, "I AM THAT I AM". R. Elaine Graves '67
From: R. Elaine Graves (Baker)
Date: 7 Nov 1996 11:35:08 EDT
Subject: anyone hear of group process?
LI>Michele Forinash Aziz '74
Okay... I'll byte. What DO you DO for a living?
Are you a secretary? Are you a truck driver? Are you a psychoanalyst? What????
Thanks for your words of encourgagement though. I WOULD have hired you for my psychoanalyst, last night. I was thinking of unsubscribing last night. Then for a moment,I thought... I will run in and cancel the message to Big Al before he or anyone else sees it! ....But then...my Annie Oakley "Counselor" personality stepped in and said, "what are youuuu? A wimp? You will do no such thing!" Today...I am not hiring any psychoalysts, even a good one. ..I am in control, my own self mind control.
I took Silva Mind Control serveral in 1992. It changed my life. Jose` Silva was in Greensboro, NC not long ago. He is a Great Man. He has now educated 15,000,000 people around the world, including: me,
and many of my friends, And James Worthy, Loretta Switt, John Ritter, etc. (Kenny Rogers gave him a Rolls Royce). He drives an old red truck, that he fixes himself. I paid $395.00 for the course. "Humanizing Humanity" is what it is all about. It is not what you are it is who you are inside that counts and what you do with what you have learned.
Elaine '67
From: Katherine Agar
Date: Thu, 07 Nov 1996 09:48:11 -0600 (MDT)
Subject: Private vs. public
Let me be specific. I would prefer not to have intimate details about marriages, therapy, relationships (or lack thereof) sent out over the open list. Surely these revelations can be directed to the persons one knows, rather than to the whole list. And yes, it is difficult to delete messages without at least scanning them, so I can't tell when I am into one of these intimate messages until I'm actually reading it.
There are, of course, different feelings about what is too personal for public discussion. For some people, nothing is. We from Baker have bonds that we are exploring, but we are not all intimate friends or family.
I am quite sure Al wasn't referring to discussions of streets or who dated whom, and neither am I. These ramblings inspire memory, and if a particular tangent doesn't pertain to me, I can scan and delete.
This is merely an observation, not a demand. We need to ask ourselves if we would get up in front of a room of 100+ people and say some of the things that have been said, or if we should ask those people to listen to us bare our souls. Obviously, this is the minority view, but so be it. Didn't want Al to take the heat by himself.
Kathy (Omelanuk) Agar
From: Al Sciarrino
Date: Thu, 07 Nov 1996 10:32:59 -0500 (EST)
Subject: Re: acceptable or not acceptable topics
It's really not about streets. I'm targeting anyone who wants to tell us about their abusive husband, father, etc. or send other highly charged personal information that might be more proper on the Oprah Winfrey or Jenny Jones show. I certainly don't want to have anything censured, but I've received private e-mails from several others who feel the same way I do.
Why clutter @Baker with junk? In fact, we're keeping a record of it, right? Perhaps, @Baker should be used for more general chat about Baker itself, our years there, finding old friends now, etc. etc. And perhaps a chit-chat room could be created that doesn't become a "record" and where anything under the sun could be talked about, and personal lives can be opened up for view. Or, I'm afraid the list on @Baker may not get bigger as some hope, but actually get smaller as some of us bow out.
What I've like best about @Baker is Baker history, etc. Hey, I've been guilty myself of sending perhaps somewhat personal or irrelevant messages, but I see where some of the stuff is now getting pretty obnoxious, and I still have a bad taste in my mouth for the concentrated attack on the person who wrote an article criticizing Baker, even though most people hadn't read it!
Again, one doesn't have to agree with me to understand the concern...and it is not just mine, by the way. However, now that I've provoked, I'm going to stay off and just let others express their favor or disfavor, or continue to show their ambivalence by staying out of it. Here's to more civility, history, and good memories.
GO LIONS!
Al '64
From: Don Stauffer
Date: Thu, 7 Nov 1996 14:27:41 -0500 (EST)
Subject: Re: acceptable or not acceptable topics
At the base, this should be a forum for discussion for happenings and memories concerning Baker.
But I also look to this place as an opportunity to network and meet new and interesting people like those who subscribe to this list.
I find it facinating that so many people have managed to contact eachother, all of them with ties to Baker High like myself. After spending a weekend of reunions, the rest of the time should be spent revitalizing friendships and establishing relationships amongst each other.
One the things I like to see about friendship is the fact that someone may feel comfortable enough to start dragging those dusty old skeletons out of the closet to reveal them to a select group of people they are comfortable around.
On the opposite end of the spectrum, too many people are suspicious of our neighbors these days. There's little trust in our communities anymore and it's justified.
..But not necessarily here. This is an electronic forum linking people with commonality together. It's not like the Satan Worshippers who moved in next door, the people here are folks I can immediately feel a bond with because each of us, for a short period in our lives, walked the long corridors of Baker High, and that in itself is enough for me to offer a fellow alumni much more than I would offer a total stranger.
Opinions expressed are my own.
Don Stauffer '85.
From: Ron Johnson
Date: Thu, 07 Nov 1996 15:37:22 -0500
Subject: About the @Baker Mailing List
My own preference is that people continue sharing their lives to the extent they are comfortable sharing, and those of us who are interested can read them and those of us who are not won't. Al is certainly entitled to his preferences; I'm entitled to mine. I enjoy reading the personal details of others' lives, so I prefer that people speak freely and as intimately as they dare. On the other hand, some of the messages don't interest me, so I don't read them. I recently switched to the digest option to avoid deleting messages I don't want to read. Now I scroll instead of delete.
In closing, I offer the words of that recently famous Los Angeles
philosopher, R. King:
"Can't we all just get along?" [the accuracy of the quote is not warranted]
Ron Johnson '65
From: C. Rolf Milton
Date: Thu, 7 Nov 1996 12:44:23 -0800
Subject: Re: SOS
(circa 1963+-)Does anyone out there remember whose car (Fiat?) was placed across the work pit (front wheels to the left, rear wheels to the right) behind the gas station (you know, the unofficial smoking area) on Victory Drive?
Just curious . . .
Rolf '67
From: W.J. Orr
Date: Thu, 7 Nov 1996 18:56:22 -0500
Subject: Re: acceptable or not acceptable topics
My comments were for all of us and aimed at no one in particular. I feel all should use their best judgements as to whether a message should be sent directly to an individual or to all of us. Any given message could be of great interest to many and of no interest to others (trash vs treasure). My point is that we should accept this and not be unconstructively critical. Some communications received should have been one-on-one from my perspective but others receiving it probably enjoyed it tremendously. I don't mind deleting. The positves of our being able to communicate at all and the good memories start me humming ....."In the Pines of dear 'ol Georgia, stands a school we love.....etc." Lets all keep the spirit! Glad you asked the question.
Adios,
W.J. Orr '59
From: Jeanne Sweeney
Date: Thu, 07 Nov 1996 19:26:19 -0500
Subject: Re: acceptable or not acceptable topics
Class of '59 remembers the song! Wish I did, BUT I did recognize the words and can hummmm the tune.
Ron J., glad that you joined us! Now where is your wife!? Talk about great times -- the two of you are a great part of my memories of good times at Baker. Mike always made my laugh (you were/are pretty cool too).
You know, we have a fair number of lawyers on this list! Going back to the original column that I wrote -- DO we have any preachers?
Jeannie '65
From: Al Sciarrino
Date: Thu, 07 Nov 1996 14:15:47 -0500 (EST)
Subject: Re: Private vs. public
Al
From: mike hursey
Date: Thu, 07 Nov 1996 18:17:42 -0800
Subject: Re: About the @Baker Mailing List
Like so many others that have previously responded, I enjoy most of the postings on @Baker. I also sit quietly and simply read all the "bulletim board" postings. If it doesn't impact me, I simply delete the message.
But, I also had two sisters at Baker High, and I'm also interested in the comments made by their classmates as well as my own. If this site were limited to general commentary, there would be limited "postings" and limited sharing of our lives, however personal.
Mike Hursey '70
From: Steve Whitelaw
Date: Thu, 7 Nov 1996 21:31:06 -0500
Subject: Re: About the @Baker Mailing List
Steve Whitelaw 66'
From: Steve Whitelaw
Date: Thu, 7 Nov 1996 21:34:12 -0500
Subject: Re: Re[2]: Lions Digest V1 #196
I have often asked about you over the years. Let me know what is "going on" with you.
Steve Whitelaw 66'
From: Charlie Mclendon
Date: Thu, 7 Nov 1996 21:43:16 -0500
Subject: Re: About the @Baker Mailing List
Charlie '62
From: Charlie Mclendon
Date: Thu, 7 Nov 1996 22:10:33 -0500
Subject: Re: SOS
Charlie 62
From: Al Sciarrino
Date: Thu, 07 Nov 1996 19:04:32 -0500 (EST)
Subject: Re: acceptable or not acceptable topics
I'm trying to be "constructively" critical. As I've said before, maybe a chat room for all kinds of conversation. Do we really want the "trash" as part of our historical record on @Baker? I'm not looking for total agreement...I raised a question which has bothered some of us.
Al
From: Mike Omelanuk
Date: Thu, 7 Nov 1996 22:36:03 -0500
Subject: It's Time
We could discuss this ad nauseum, but @Baker is one of the bright spots in my day. Even when there is an argument, it's better than a day with no @Baker chat (sorta like when I was stationed in Korea .... even bills were better than no mail.)
On to other things. I'm the proud grandfather of 9 lb 10 oz Logan Michael Fleeman. Amy says that all he does is nurse, sleep, and poop. I told her that he sounds like the spitting image of his grandfather.
Hang in there!
Mike '64
From: C. Richard Tolbert
Date: Thu, 7 Nov 1996 23:36:26 -0500
Subject: Re: It's Time
Congratulations!!
Rick Tolbert 1967
From: W.J. Orr
Date: Fri, 8 Nov 1996 00:03:47 -0500
Subject: Re: acceptable or not acceptable topics
In the pines of dear 'ol Georgia
Stands a school we love
We will always keep her standards
Towering high above
Refrain:
Alma mater
Thee we honor
True and loyal be
Ever crowned with grace and glory
Baker hail to thee
We will never, never fault her
We will do or die
And for us the blue and white will
Ever wave on high
Refrain:
Dats IT!
W.J. '59
From: W.J. Orr
Date: Fri, 8 Nov 1996 00:08:49 -0500
Subject: Re: acceptable or not acceptable topics
I accept the intent of your comments A by-product chat room could be a plus.
W.J.
From: C. Rolf Milton
Date: Thu, 7 Nov 1996 21:58:33 -0800
Subject: Re: It's Time
Rolf '67
From: C. Rolf Milton
Date: Thu, 7 Nov 1996 21:57:27 -0800
Subject: Re: SOS
Rolf '67
From: Johnny Joiner
Date: Fri, 08 Nov 1996 07:19:10 -0500
Subject: Re: It's Time
Congratulations on your new Grandson. I have one, and there's nothing like it in the world. Is this your first ?
Johnny ' 65
From: BERCO95
Date: Fri, 8 Nov 1996 11:24:09 -0500
Subject: Re: SOS
When you drive a car as light as the Fiat and you have a bunch of clowns as
friends, we were never surprised to find our car somewhere other than our
driveway or where we may have left it the night before. Of course, sometime
we really did not know where we had parked it! Great Days, Great Pranks!!
Bruce Emerson (67)
From: BERCO95
Date: Fri, 8 Nov 1996 11:33:09 -0500
Subject: Re: Re[2]: Lions Digest V1 #196
Are you David Whitelaw's brother or any relation? Just curious since no one has heard from him in years!! Send me your E-Mail address so the rest of the Baker gang doesn't have to read or delete our conversation. Bruce says Hi!
Thanks,
Veronica Emerson (71)
From: Al Muehlke
Date: Fri, 8 Nov 1996 12:25:02 -0700
Subject: Re: New Al?
Hope you received the e-mail to the Bragg.bbs. In case you didn't, my last name is Muehlke and I have a bio in the '69 listing. Your sister's name SOUNDS familiar, but until I can get my hands on a '67-69 yearbook(s) I won't be able to say for sure. It IS getting to be a few years since I trod the halls of Baker High!
Al
From: Sandye Smith
Date: Fri, 8 Nov 1996 14:50:06 -0500 (EST)
Subject: Re: acceptable or not acceptable topics
Only one small correction. In the second stanza the first line is:
We will never never falter...
The alma mater was printed in the 1962 Arrowhead.
Also you had asked earlier about my sister's graduating classes. Had we not moved to Germany, Freida would have graduated Baker in l958 and Charlotte in 1959.
Sandye '64
From: Al Sciarrino
Date: Fri, 08 Nov 1996 15:10:15 -0500 (EST)
Subject: Re: acceptable or not acceptable topics
Al '64
From: Steve Crawford
Date: Fri, 8 Nov 1996 14:47:36 -0800
Subject: Wow!
Yes, and if all you guys would move up here, we could send the Freshman out
for beer...damn good beer. Excellent Micro-brews! Put THAT in your pipe
and save nine stitches in a timely manner. usa500@transport.com aka Steve
Crawford '68 - Bend, Oregon - 24 inches of fresh powder last night -grab
your snow board and get knarly dude!
From: Janet Geisler
Date: Fri, 8 Nov 96 18:41:06 -0500
Subject: Message
From: Mforinash
Date: Fri, 8 Nov 1996 21:29:58 -0500
Subject: fight song
Beer, beer for old Baker High
Shake out the cocktails, bring on the rye
Send those freshmen out for gin and
don't let a sober Lion in.
We never stagger, we never fall
we sober up on wood alcohol.
We we die we'll burn in hell
for the glory of Baker High.
Well it isn't exactly politically correct, but it is the way I remember it. I played in the band all four years of high school and must have sung this song a million times. At the time (70's) it didn't seem bad at all, but in retrospect...yikes!
Michele Forinash Aziz '74
From: MR ROY COOK
Date: Fri, 8 Nov 1996 23:35:21, -0500
Subject: Discussions
Hey buddy, glad you are on the net. I didn't mean to cause a
controversy my first week on the web.
How's the golf game? Had a conversation about you just the other
evening. Give my best to your lovely bride. Give me an e-mail or
call and we'll chase the little round ball.
A proud Baker alum
Sunshine
From: Mike Omelanuk
Date: Sat, 9 Nov 1996 12:16:18 -0500
Subject: Grandson and Other Stuff
<< Mike,
Congratulations on your new Grandson. I have one, and there's nothing like it in the world. Is this your first ? >>
Yep, #1 of any sex.
In a message dated 96-11-09 04:02:34 EST, Sandye '64 wrote:
<< The alma mater was printed in the 1962 Arrowhead. >>
Hey Bob, sounds like something that needs to be put on the page somewhere.
Welcome - Janet Diolosa (Geisler) '75, If you want to catch up on old conversations, you can check out the old discussions from the Home Page.
In a message dated 96-11-09 04:02:34 EST, Michele Forinash Aziz '74 wrote:
<< as I remember it the fight song went like this (to the Notre Dame Fight Song tune) Beer, beer for old Baker High >>
That's pretty much the way I remember it too.
In a message dated 96-11-09 04:02:34 EST, Sunshine wrote:
<< I didn't mean to cause a controversy my first week on the web. >>
Sunshine, you didn't cause anything. It appears to have been building up.
Mike '64
From: Steve Crawford U.S. Allegiance, Inc.
Date: Sat, 9 Nov 1996 11:48:55 -0800
Subject: Re: fight song
From: Glenda
Date: Sun, 10 Nov 1996 03:26:41 -0500
Subject: Re: Wow!
For any of you who knew Allen and Kenny Caldwell, I talked to their mom last weekend. She is doing great. Was on her way to Chattanooga. I plan to go visit her in a few weeks. I'm taking mom and my daughter with me. I just put flowers on Allen's grave this past weekend and it made me sad as it always does. I try to get there a couple of times a year but had missed the past year.
Again, it was good seeing everyone at the reunion. I hope to see you all
again real soon and if you are in town, please call me. I'm in the book.
Well, as it is 3:24 in the morning, I think I will turn in.
Again, Elaine, I hope to one day meet you as I love reading your notes.
And Roy, do you remember the Limbo??? I don't remember the PC!! Who was
the Limbo champion at the soc hops in 1966?? I think Vivian Hill was very
good. She hasn't been to any reunions that I have been to. Does anyone
know where she is? Well, goodnight all and smiles.
Glenda
Have a great day! Glenda
From: Bob Brown
Date: Sun, 10 Nov 1996 20:17:11 -0800
Subject: Re: Fight Song
It's beer, beer for old Baker High Shake up the cocktails, bring out the rye Send some Freshmen out for gin, And don't let a soul but a LION in. ^^^^^^^^
And in the chorus:
When we die we'll burn and fry For the glory of Baker High!
Rah! Rah! Rah! Rah!
--Bob '65
From: JBolles174
Date: Mon, 11 Nov 1996 10:13:53 -0500
Subject: Re: Fight Song
Thanks for all your work .
I do not know now to attach and carry other email message yet. Also I would like to know how the charges work on the web pages and in general how my monthly charges get divided up? That is how this wonderful world of computing works?
Any reading would help . Let me know ! Anyone of my new found computer family.
Janice Pait Bolles
Class of '66
From: Dakota1
Date: Mon, 11 Nov 1996 21:26:03 -0800
Subject: Reunion
If anyone is interested in forming a reunion committee for the Baker
Class of 1948 please write or call Beverly Woods at:
Omitted
Bev would like to have a reunion of either the class of 1948 or perhaps a combined reunion for several of the early Baker graduating classes.
Britt Ware ('53).
From: Mike Omelanuk
Date: Mon, 11 Nov 1996 22:48:40 -0500
Subject: Re: Lions Digest V1 #201
<< And don't let a soul but a LION in. ^^^^^^^^
And in the chorus:
When we die we'll burn and fry For the glory of Baker High! >>
Bob - I sure don't remember that wimpy version!
Mike '64
From: dstewart
Date: Tue, 12 Nov 1996 02:22:36 -0500
Subject: 96.195--To Lions
Dick Stewart '64
From: Lawrence Johnson
Date: Tue, 12 Nov 96 8:50:02 EST
Subject: re: It's Time
Larry Johnson '65
From: R. Elaine Graves (Baker)
Date: 12 Nov 1996 11:24:56 EDT
Subject: Re: New Al?
Now that you have read this far, you may want back out of this email...
You might want to go ahead and delete now..
Especially, if you have felt that "Explicit Elaine" has offended you in
the past...
for shespeaks below!!!!!
WARNING, WARNING, WARNING!!!
I usually call myself, elegant elaine or eccentric elaine...now I am
explicit elaine,
at no time have I meant to be offensive, though. Thought I was just
being me...
relaxed....
Beware... "Be Aware" you are in no danger of catching the dread
disease.... Family Violence...aka...Domestic Violence, Unless you were
exposed at a very young age and throughout young adult hood.
Or....unless your self esteem is verrrrryyyy low... then it CAN sneak up
on you. Though my parents were not terribly fair or the best of parents
to some of us, individually, they did not fight each except VERBALLY (at
the top of their voices), so I did not catch that part from
them...(exept maybe the yelling...when I am angry), but my husband (we
are both "X's") saw his parents hitting each other. IIt caused a lot
of confusion...in his young mind. (And I have forgiven him, though try
as I may, I cannot forget it. (God will judge me...no one else really
can).
But Freedom of Speech is an inherent right to those of us who are
American Citizens. (I thought all lawyers knew that law). I will
continue to try to choose my words carefully and however some may
think...you have not and will not hear the most offensive of the sordid
details here. I will have to write a book for that .... But I reserve
the right to mention the title here (when that day comes that it is
published)...after all...Al of '64 did talk about his book to all of us.
(I had planned to buy it and may yet). best to for you all to email me
if you really need to speak with me... I may not for obvious
reasons...be on here as much as before....I tend to like to be where I
am accepted for who I am whatever bedraggled state I find myself in at
the time. I tend to be where things are laid back and most of all fun.
I tend to think that if you or anyone has a problem with something I
say...you would email me at OMITTED simply
tell me...before you announce to the world that I am some kind of leper.
I assure you I am not. But it definitely hurt me. I thought I was
defending someone else until I got an email from Dick Stewart telling me
how offensive I was and how bad I was to try to hurt Al's feelings. I
never meant to hurt anyone. I am a big girl now...I didn't notice any
sandbox...I thought all of us were adults. Al of 64 if you still have a
problem with me...I would be happy to take it up with you in private at
the email address above.
I wish you would have told me to my face
(email) that you had a problem with my words months ago. Talking about
me to others could not have changed my actions in the least. Talking to
me, might have caused me to redo my thoughts on this subject. That
would have been more fair.
Dick, I am glad you are a good friend to Al
and he to you. I am glad to see both of you participating here. If you
are reading this, my question would be WHY are you? You had a chance
back at the WARNING WARNING WARNING WARNING Remember you WERE
warned....!!!!! remember....I warned you.... (Strange how it took all
these months of me being myself...scarred as I am... .to be told I was
offensive! Too bad...people feel this way about domestic violence. ....
Wonder why no one reports it....I WONDER!!!
I hope that no one's
daughter is in such a situation. Have you ever thought about it? I
hope that no one's son is in such a situation, either, (yes...men can be
abused, usually they are the sweet, quieter ones, the office clown who
is crying on the inside. The one who would never hurt anyone else). He
probably wouldn't complain. It is much like child abuse, the victim
loves the batterer and is ashamed that it is happening. (The cry for
help is often as loud as that of a moth caught in a spider web). My
parents didn't know. I was scared to tell my father. I was scared he
would kill someone and get himself in trouble with his job in the Army
(his job was very important to him). It seemed to always be the most
important thing to him when he was alive). He never knew about me and
the situation I was in.
I was ashamed because at first I thought it
was my fault. And to top it off my mom still thinks today, that I
failed at my marriage. Offensive? Yes it is! SCARY? To say the
very least about it, it is downright terrifying. Offensive? Yes,
it is and most times defensive, too....because it takes two! It is
scary and offensive, but mostly to those who are involved, men, women
and children!!!
Mostly it is a sad, sad thing. Others can play ostrich
and hide their heads in sand...but only their butts will show)! Ever see
an ostrich butt before? OOPS!!!! OFFENSIVE!!!!!!! (Not really, we all
got one). ELAINE!!!! Even your sense of humor is suspect! YOU are
incorrigible!
Al Muehlke...your name sounds familiar to me....maybe I
knew you. I will look you up. My sister had the 69 annual but lost it
with everything in a fire several years ago. She was renting an old
house (a substandard house..light bulb replacement caused electrical
system to buzz). Her husband deserted her in 1984 for a woman in Korea.
He was an E7 at the time. She had to support herself and the
children. It took her many years to get him to pay any child support.
She almost lost everything, including her mind. But, as you can see we
are a resilient bunch! I am very proud of her. She not only survived
but became a teacher. She teaches "LD" children, now.
From: Al Sciarrino
Date: Tue, 12 Nov 1996 12:51:16 -0500 (EST)
Subject: Re: New Al?
Al '64
From: Don Stauffer
Date: Tue, 12 Nov 1996 13:18:48 -0500 (EST)
Subject: Re: New Al?
Elaine: Everyone is entitled to an opinion, even negative opinions about you.
Al: Read up on freedom of speech. Everyone has the right to express themselves as they fit until the mediator of this list forum decides to start censoring.
This is a lot like flame wars I see happen on the usenet. The difference there is that the mean age of the posters there are about thirty years younger. It's almost expected of them. I'm quite surprised to see it here.
A point was brought up that this forum should be relegated to memories that could be archived for future generations. Thus things such as personal abuse tragedy, birthings of children and grandchildren, and reviews and testimonials about books should all be banned.
What we have here though is not a time capsule. It's an extended community.
Don Stauffer '85.
From: R. Elaine Graves (Baker)
Date: 12 Nov 1996 13:33:40 EDT
Subject: Discussions
R. Elaine Graves '67
From: R. Elaine Graves (Baker)
Date: 12 Nov 1996 13:38:02 EDT
Subject: Re: Lions Digest V1 #196
R. Elaine Graves '67
From: Steve Crawford
Date: Tue, 12 Nov 1996 12:23:38 -0800
Subject: Uh... It gets curiouser & curiouser!
I would suggest that anyone feel free to cast the net... but
then swim with the fish who voluntarily join your school. All Points
Bulletins are a fine introduction... then capture and copy selected
recipients. And always include Roy Cook.
From: R. Elaine Graves (Baker)
Date: 12 Nov 1996 15:01:42 EDT
Subject: Re: Wow!
Glenda, I would love to meet everyone on here...
And I would especially like to see some of the people I knew....
classes 67, 68, 69, 70 (who attended that year back in 1967).
That was my main aim when I came on here way back (when?)
R. Elaine Graves '67 (Baker)
From: Al Sciarrino
Date: Tue, 12 Nov 1996 15:32:49 -0500 (EST)
Subject: Re: New Al?
wasn't that what I was proposing? I've never talked about true
censureship...but that maybe a chatbox is more appropriate for some of
certain types of speech. I'm now more convinced than ever I was right! As a
lawyer, I have always consistently upheld the right to freedom of
speech...that doesn't mean that time, place and manner restrictions don't
apply. The Supreme Court says they do. Perhaps it would do you well to read
the cases.
Al '64
From: Don Stauffer
Date: Tue, 12 Nov 1996 16:24:01 -0500 (EST)
Subject: Re: New Al?
My point wasn't about legalities however.
This is a community. With all communities you have a level of intimacy that is higher within the confines of the community.
It's no different here. People air their feelings here because there are folks who genuinely listen and respond, or even read and learn. I am such a person most of the time.
One may say that it isn't the same as a community because we are a captive audience. Again, to those I say, find your delete key. You're only captive if you are compelled to read every piece of email that comes across your computer.
If that's the case, I know of a couple of ways you could MAKE MONEY FAST! (It's a usenet joke).
I don't think we need a seperate chat box for non essential (ie, non-preserved) dialogues. This is why.
A. Ninety nine percent of the people who are on this list would probably subscribe to the new list. Why need the redundancy unless we plan on setting up seperate Email boxes to actually receive the mail in two different locations?
B. If we wanted to preserve memories of Baker and make long lasting impressions through the mailing list, it is almost just as easy to filter through the monthly digest lists and filter out all the junk.
C. Humans (myself included) are notoriously lazy when it comes to sticking to themes on mailing lists. I don't think this list would remain pristine simply because we have an alternate list to air our junk.
D. In regards to reason C, above. It would continuously spark new threads about people "Posting inappropriate message on this list".
E. To circumvent reason C and D, you would need a moderator. Who has the time?
It's a small, but growing list of people who receive Email from this list. As we continue to grow, the list itself will evolve as well. We'll get more people of extreme opinions (I can think of several extremists in my class) on both sides of any issue. People will get turned off of the list, other people will contribute more while the rest of us just plod along doing as we always have been doing.
As the only (as far as I can tell) active participant in this list from the 80's, maybe my viewpoints are a little different than everyone elses. Just look to me as that odd guy over in the corner by himself watching everyone else dance.
Don Stauffer '85.
PS: Thanks Al for being the first person to respond to one of my mailings
on this list even if it wasn't exactly to welcome me. :)
From: Jeanne Sweeney
Date: Tue, 12 Nov 1996 20:32:47 -0500
Subject: Re: New Al?
great response! I often don't respond to the entire group as
a whole. Thanks for your input...
Jeannie '65
From: Deborah Valentine
Date: Tue, 12 Nov 1996 23:23:37 -0500
Subject: Help!
please send me a message. I've lost your e-mail address.
Thanks,
Deborah Alderman Valentine '66
From: Bob Brown
Date: Wed, 13 Nov 96 09:17:25 EST
Subject: Re: Help!
I wondered what happened to you. Here I am!
--Bob
From: SCIARRIN
Date: Wed, 13 Nov 1996 10:30:28 -0500 (EST)
Subject: Re: Help!
Please take me off @Baker.
Thanks,
Al '64
From: R. Elaine Graves (Baker)
Date: 13 Nov 1996 13:23:24 EDT
Subject: Re: New Al?
Thank you, Don Stauffer
Elaine Graves '67
From: Sandye Smith
Date: Wed, 13 Nov 1996 17:33:26 -0500 (EST)
Subject: [none]
Welcome to the Baker group.
Sandye '64
From: Sandye Smith
Date: Wed, 13 Nov 1996 17:35:49 -0500 (EST)
Subject: [none]
Anyone interested in joining our group either let me know or contact Jim at DELETED
Hope to see some of you there.
Sandye '64
P.S. This includes all years!!
From: R. Elaine Graves (Baker)
Date: 14 Nov 1996 10:47:32 EDT
Subject: Welcome!!
Welcome to @Baker...it really is a great place to be!
This was our very lst disagreement online, since I have been on here.
Before this the atmosphere was extremely friendly and rather casual,
in my opinion. I think you will like it. The best part to me is when
you see someone you actually knew in person from your time at Baker
High. In all the months, I have been coming to the email, "Sunshine"
was the lst person I had actually talked to "in person".
I won't say what a thrill it was to me in my usual manner. (Though I am
careful not to use any words normally called curse words, my speech is
none the less, often explicit. I usually say what I feel here. It is hard
to be me and not offend, I guess. (Mr. Liebendorfer was a significant
provider of my social skills. He gave me a large vocabulary to work
with while stimulating me to learn more words! And not only to learn
them but then to use them)! A friend told me once that I "spoke
from the hip". I guess in my verbose manner, I AM descriptive.
Just know that seeing Sunshine, pleased me down to my toes!
BTW...Roy (Sunshine), told me that Mr. Liebendorfer is working
over at Columbus college. Anyone who sees him...please give him a hug
(or a pat on the pack) for me. (the hug...is more my style!)
R. Elaine Graves Baker Class of '67
From: mike hursey
Date: Thu, 14 Nov 1996 19:20:20 -0800
Subject: Re: Help!
Na Na Na Na
Hey Hey
Goodbye!
From: Mike Omelanuk
Date: Fri, 15 Nov 1996 07:58:15 -0500
Subject: Re: Lions Digest V1 #204
Getting back in contact with old friends and makeing some new ones is worth the price of occasional spats or agendas that may not interest me.....and I hope to you. So, again, please give @Baker another chance.
Mike '64
From: dyl
Date: Fri, 15 Nov 1996 13:53:22 -0600
Subject: Intro
Bob Brown asked me to introduce myself to you all, so here goes:
Although a member of the Class of '61, I wasn't allowed to graduate with the class because I was 1/2 credit shy of the required credits; a stint in summer school with Coach Wolf got me the 1/2 credit and my diploma. For a long time I had a big resentment against Dr. Kirby for not allowing me to be part of the graduation ceremony -- to an 18-year old, it was a big heartbreak. I left Columbus soon after, returning only occasionally for visits home, and as time passed, I forgot most of my high school career. Nevertheless, I eventually reached that place where I began to sort through my life and decided that, like it or not, Baker High had a significant role. To my chagrin, I learned that my '61 Arrowhead had been cut up into paper dolls by my youngest sister. [I'm really please to see that the 61 Arrowhead is coming on-line -- it'll be nice to have another copy if only a printout!]
The only person I could find was fellow classmate Newt, who graciously put me in touch with the Class of 61 30-year reunion chairperson. So ... in August of 91, I went back to Columbus and to the reunion. It was a wonderful time and I was delighted to "renew old acquaintances and make new friends."
Am not sure if there are other members of '61 on this list, but I'll do my part to let folks know about it. We had planned a 35-year get-together this past June, but didn't get enough response. I accidentally found the Baker Home Page while looking for addresses of some of the missing members of '61. Ish Nazario and I speak frequently by phone and have tossed around the idea of at least an annual newsletter, so I'm delighted to find that we've made it to the Net.
I had friends from the years both before and after 61 that I'd like to find, and am thrilled that this resource is now available. Sadly, at least four of my good pals from the '61 class died before the 30th reunion and I never had the opportunity to learn how their lives had turned out.
While at Baker I was in the band, playing flute alongside Sherry Miller and Evelyn Coulter. I even have a picture of our band in some sort of formation down at the old stadium. Before Baker, I was at Winterfield Elementary where my uncle was the first principal. I have a class picture from 7th grade that has lots of the folks who went on to Baker with me. Many of us grew up in the Winterfield area together and it was fun to see some of them again at the reunion ... older, but basically all were recognizable.
Anyway, in the present, I work with the Air Force ROTC at Tulane, and I'm
diligently plodding towards a degree in something if I ever decide what I
want to be when I grow up. I've got two grown daughters, both on their own:
one is a computer graphics technician with Air Force HQ in Europe -- her
husband is crew chief on a C-130 and presently on his way to Zaire; the
other daughter is a budding actress, poet and writer. Mom is happy to just
be Donna again, responsible only for Donna.
When I'm not working and studying, I'm traveling or just hanging out enjoying the N'awlins fare of Laissez Le Bon Temps Rouler - Let the Good Times Roll! I've renewed other old acquaintances through the resources of the Internet and its been fun having them visit here in New Orleans -- I enjoy playing tour guide, so if anyone ever comes this way, I do hope you'll give me a call.
Guess that's enough for one day .. I look forward to getting to know you all and hopefully, renewing some old friendships.
Cheers,
Donna Lowrie [BHS'61]
New Orleans, Louisiana
From: Sandye Smith
Date: Fri, 15 Nov 1996 19:08:11 -0500 (EST)
Subject: [none]
I was a 64 grad and am sure you don't remember me but I remember you.
You mentioned Ish and some of my classmates were talking about his recently. Is he still married to Robbie. We have totally lost touch with her.
Also, Woody Royster and Brenda Blair Royster both live here in Columbus and I see them occasionally.
Glad to have you @Baker.
Sandye Johnson Smith
From: JBolles174
Date: Sat, 16 Nov 1996 11:27:52 -0500
Subject: Fwd: Lions Digest V1 #204
YOU WERE MY FIRST EMAIL AND I HAVE LEARNED ALOT FROM YOUR INPUT.
PLEASE REMEMBER A QUITER NEVER WIN IN THE RACE.
JANICE '66
From: ILIKECHET
Date: Sat, 16 Nov 1996 13:48:05 -0500
Subject: Re: Al's Departure from our Midst
PRESS ON
Nothing in the world can take the place of persistence.
Talent will not; nothing is more common than unsuccessful men
with talent. Genius will not; unrewarded genius is almost a
proverb.
Education alone will not; the world is full of educated derelicts.
Persistence and determination alone are omnipotent.
I know there is a lot of talent out there among us. How about sharing some poems or writings with our group.....
Also Hi Donna from Tulane. I went to Winterfield too. Mr. Huey was my
favorite
teacher (6th grade). I was his pet, got to sit right next to him. ( I know,
I know
it was because I was bad!!) I remember the principal, but what was his
name??
Did you have Mrs. Tatum or Mrs. Hatfield???
Another Hi to Bill Sharts in Warner Robbins, See you Thanksgiving at Peggy & Dean's. Hope your Mom can come.
Another question for everyone. Does anyone remember Bobby Sims? Think he
was
in the same class as Newt. He sang & played the guitar.
Barbara Seymour
Griffin
class of 64.
From: mike hursey
Date: Sat, 16 Nov 1996 16:05:15 -0800
Subject: Re: Intro
Welcome! Odd how I assumed you were male based on not graduating with
your class because of a 1/2 gym credit.
I think Newt is right! And since you were taught by the same teachers, you probably right too!
Mike '70
From: Jeanne Sweeney
Date: Sun, 17 Nov 1996 20:10:23 -0500
Subject: Re: Intro
Welcome to our wonderful group! We look forward to having you join in on our conversation(s).
Jeannie Penny Sweeney '65
From: Luther Story
Date: Sun, 17 Nov 1996 20:41:52 -0500
Subject: Re: Fwd: Lions Digest V1 #204
You don't know me, but don't leave. Keep on talking!
Luke Story '59
From: Bob Brown
Date: Mon, 18 Nov 96 08:59:17 EST
Subject: Searching for a Lion
--Bob
- ----------------------------------------------------------
HI,my name is Marilu Paternoster Pozzi, I am a neonatologist in Florence,
Italy. I was surfing on the net when I found your page.
I see that an alumn of 1960 is Michael Capezzera,that is the same name of
my grandmother,who was born in the south of italy and married my
grandfather Saverio Paternoster,I think about in 1920.
It is possible to have an address or E mail of Michael? Thanks in
advance
Marilu Paternoster Pozzi,
sp00277@schering-pl.it
From: Steve Crawford
Date: Mon, 18 Nov 1996 12:02:57 -0800
Subject: Re:
From: Steve Crawford
Date: Mon, 18 Nov 1996 12:01:34 -0800
Subject: Re: Intro
From: Ballengee, Anne
Date: Mon, 18 Nov 96 17:14:00 PST
Subject: Claudia Crawford
I have often wondered what happened to Claudia!
Anne Achey Ballengee '66
From: dyl
Date: Mon, 18 Nov 1996 16:40:35 -0600
Subject: Your welcomes
At 04:05 PM 11/16/96 -0800, you wrote:
>Welcome! Odd how I assumed you were male based on not graduating with
>your class because of a 1/2 gym credit.
I was out one semester because of complications from a tonsilectomy and it threw me off. I had a big fight with Dr. Kirby over it, but he wouldn't budge. Funny thing, the course I took with Coach Wolfe that summer was in Psychology ... he was a fun teacher -- I think he gave us all A's.
And to Barbara,
> I went to Winterfield too. I remember the principal, but what was his name??
My uncle was O'Neal Hendricks and was principal until I started in the 7th Grade ... he transferred me to Brown Ave in 6th Grade, because he didn't want folks accusing him of favoritism with me. His replacement was Mr. Toole -- I went back to Winterfield for the 7th and had Mrs. Hatfield ... she was pregnant that year, a relatively uncommon sight for teachers in those days.
I had Mrs. Tatum in 3rd Grade ... she was a sweetheart.
>Did you have Mrs. Tatum or Mrs. Hatfield???
By the way, I went to Baker in 1st and 2nd grades, and can remember how small we six-year olds felt, timidly avoiding the big high schoolers rushing past ...
Thanks everyone for the welcome.
Donna Lowrie '61
From: dyl
Date: Mon, 18 Nov 1996 17:02:04 -0600
Subject: Re: Intro
>Did you know my brother, Mike Crawford?
Hi Steve!
Mike's name seems very familiar ... as I told Sandye, I'll probably remember his face, then once I get the face, I can dredge up memories of the person.
Donna '61
From: Sandye Smith
Date: Mon, 18 Nov 1996 18:10:22 -0500 (EST)
Subject: Re:
Sorry, not the same one.
Sandye '64
From: W.J. Orr
Date: Tue, 19 Nov 1996 01:23:12 -0500
Subject: Re: Intro
I was a couple of years ahead of you but am having trouble placing the face
and the familiar name. I remember Sherry Miller. Didn't she excell in baton
twirling? Also was Evelyn Coulter sister of Larry Coulter who graduated
about the year 1957? I was in some graduate school classes with Larry at
Ga. State U.
I remember Ish Nazario quite well except he was called Ishmo
back then. He and I both had the big head in the sense that we both wore
about a size 71/2 football helment. Ishmo was playing B-Team when I was on
varsity and I used to loan him my newer football helment for his games.
Once after I had graduated he intervened to keep a bunch of guys from
working me over. He was (and I bet still is) a gentle giant of sorts. I
have wondered what happened to Ishmo and am glad to see you are in touch with
him. Would you mind sending me an e-mail at DELETED conntact info
on Ishmo. Welcome aboard to you.
W.J. Orr
'59
From: Dunn, Keith
Date: Tue, 19 Nov 1996 09:25:51 -0500
Subject: RE: Welcome Keith
Yes, I was at UGA with Don, but transferred to Auburn after four quarters and haven't heard from him since ... What are you both up to? Seems I remember your attending the Univ of Richmond. Am I right?
Good to hear from you ...
K. Dunn '69 (YOTL)
From: David Reed
Date: Tue, 19 Nov 1996 09:32:26 -0500
Subject: Job Wanted
The company I'm at know is relocating to Kentucky, and I'm not sure I want to go...although I'm not against relocating for the right position. I'm currently in Columbus, Ohio.
From: Ballengee, Anne
Date: Tue, 19 Nov 96 10:12:00 PST
Subject: FW: Job Wanted
From: WILSON C GRIER
Date: Tue, 19 Nov 1996 10:56:41 -0500 (EST)
Subject: Re: Lions Digest V1 #207
Regards...
Wilson '65
Date: Mon, 04 Nov 1996 06:45:44 -0500
From: andrea vollentine
Subject: RE: Welcome Keith
Mike, I HOPE you remember Dave and I, Mr. Lion Carrier! Keith, we were
underclass(persons) for you but remember you playing golf, seems like with
Dick McLean. It is hard to address both of you at the same time, so I'll go
with Mike first since he was our classmate. Ever hear from Hank , Mark
Latham, or Charlie Ledebuhr? We have tried reaching them for reunions to
no avail. I met with Sherry Messer at the 20th. She lives in Memphis with
grown children and still a ball of sunshine and happiness. Understand that
Kathy Hanson and Hank are married.
Dave and I each traveled the country for about 15 years. He in Cocoanut Grove, FL and Sunnyvale (San Francisco), CA, also including various other parts of Georgia. I lived in Colorado for about 10 years then traveled for about five years. We both ended up back in Columbus and as a matter of fact in the old neighborhood, Oakland Park. Few regrets, but we will shoot for retirement in Colorado, Utah, or somewhere WEST of the Mississippi, if it is not overcrowded by then, otherwise, Australia..
Keith, it seems Dave and I saw you at one of the recent reunions (and some other party tries to come to mind. Tom Mowery's?.) Dave was in a couple of your brother's real estate classes somewhile ago. By the way Tom and Bruce Boettcher are also back in Columbus. Dick McLean is in Atlanta, but we haven't had contact for awhile.
"As I slide down the spiral of life, I'll always remember Baker as a
splinter in my rear." After those words Mike, glad your still interested.
Ha!
The best, Andrea (Richardson) and Dave Vollentine
Andrea R. Vollentine
From: dyl
Date: Fri, 22 Nov 1996 10:56:38 -0600
Subject: Musings - Note: A Bit Long
Wanted to take a moment before the holiday crunch begins to wish everyone a safe and peaceful time.
Also, have been thinking a lot this week about my time at Baker and how my life was affected. I think that we are fortunate to have this medium to communicate with one another, and even more so, to span the gap of years between some of us.
My years at Baker were the last of my innocence -- we were part of the Cold War generation who grew up with the threat of The Bomb, but by the time we got to high school, the race to conquer space was on and everyone knew, perhaps without really knowing, that our world was changing. I recall being outside the gym one day, in a volleyball game I think, when I saw for the first time a commercial jetliner pass overhead -- I thought back to the day a couple years prior to that when I had flown from Dallas to Columbus in a prop-driven DC-3, a trip that took 12 hours -- I scanned the sky until the plane was out of view, and somehow knew that life was going to be different. We didn't know that Vietnam was just around the corner, that an American president would be assassinated, that in just a few short years, the U.S. would be in turmoil; nor did we have an inkling of the future our children would grow up into. And so we played, and laughed and suffered through classes together and then it ended and we were catapulted into the real world.
For me, it got ugly fast when the love of my life died in Vietnam in 1966, and I was never the same. In high school I learned to play the flute, do bookkeeping, type and do the Twist, but I hadn't been taught how to grieve, so I stuffed it all down and tried to go on. After three marriages and raising two daughters alone, the hurt and anger surfaced, and I started to deal with my loss in Vietnam. Thank goodness for the Internet, where I became involved last year with a like-minded group of folks, all trying to understand and to heal, the hurt of Vietnam: veterans, wives of veterans, widows, children, educators, doctors -- we learn from one another.
Mine is but one story ... there are as many stories as alumni from Baker ... I'm curious, also. What was it like for those of you who were in high school during the sixties, seventies, eighties - each a decade of serious social upheaval in our country ... What was it like at Baker when the guys started growing their hair long and the girls were wearing jeans to school [something we didn't do]? What did the teachers say about the anti-war protestors? Television had begun to play a much bigger part in recording history -- did it make you all more aware of the world outside Baker, outside Columbus? When I was there, we had a large percentage of Army Brats ... did that change in later years? What was it like when the school was integrated ... how was the adjustment made? What about drugs and alcohol? I know that when we were in school in the late 50's, there was drinking, and I definitely did my share -- it was easy enough to get older pals to buy it - -- but it wasn't something that was generally acknowledged, unless someone had a serious problem, and I recall one or two about whom there were rumours. We had our jocks, nerds and a few rebel-types [very few, as I recall], but for the most part, the way I remember it, we all lived, played and studied in harmony. Problems at home were simply not widely talked about - remember, those were the days of Leave It To Beaver -- sure, we knew who had troubles at home, and I think that we attempted to support one another as best we could; besides, school was our escape. Although I came from a really screwed up environment, and a nutty family, I just assumed that I was unique and everyone else for the most part came from normal homes. Not until my daughters were teenagers, with friends coming from some unbelievably sick families, did I begin to rethink my own teenage years and wonder about my classmates, to wonder about the reality of our lives back then, and to think that perhaps those coming after me were better prepared to deal with life on life's terms.
Anyway ... I'm grateful that today we have the opportunity through Cyberspace to not only share fond memories, but to learn from one another. I've been involved with e-mail lists for well over a year, and have made some lovely friends ... several folks have come to New Orleans on business and its been fun getting to know them, but to have the opportunity to renew friendships as well as make new ones with people from the old home town and school seems to be a special gift. Who knows? Maybe one day in the near future we can have one giant Baker reunion and because lots of us will know each other better because of this list, such a reunion will be even more special.
Have a lovely weekend folks, and a wonderful Thanksgiving.
Donna Lowrie [BHS '61]
New Orleans, Louisiana
From: R. Elaine Graves (Baker)
Date: 22 Nov 1996 13:50:50 EDT
Subject: Musings - Note: A Bit Long
From: ILIKECHET
Date: Fri, 22 Nov 1996 20:17:56 -0500
Subject: Re: Musings - This day in history 1963
A lot of good people, men, women, and children from both sides died in that war. Many needlessly. Thousands more were maimed; their lives changed forever. And the maiming did not stop there. So many of our Veterans came home after seeing the atrocities in Vietnam only to see more horrors-------the horrors in their heads that would not go away. Many more good men died from broken hearts and broken spirits.
So many lives were affected: so many loved ones lost. I was one of the lucky ones; my father retired from the Army when I was 12 . He has been wounded in Korea and his health was never the same after that. My now ex-husband, Charles was in the Air Force. He went to Thailand and spent a year loading bombs, but never went to the front.
Perhaps something good came from that era. The baby boomers that were left, we have fought, long and hard to make a better place for our children. And I think, we'll never stop until we die. Barbara Seymour Griffin '64
From: Al Muehlke
Date: Fri, 22 Nov 1996 20:25:20 -0700
Subject: Re: Musings - This day in history 1963
Just days before President Kennedy had visited STRICOM (forerunner of present day Central Command) at MacDill. The families of most of the officer's at STRICOM were assembled outside as Kennedy arrived. He didn't seem to be in any hurry to get inside as he worked both sides of the sidewalk shaking hands before entering STRICOM HQ.
About 20 minutes after the first p.a. announcement another announcement was made stating that classes were suspended. A couple of minutes later the same voice came over the p.a. saying the reason for the suspended classes was that the president was dead.
As a 7th grader I really wasn't aware of the ramifications of the assasination. It was just a surreal sort of thing.. I'd shaken his hand and now he was dead. My Dad didn't come home that evening. I found out later that the ops group he was part of immediately started implementing contingency plans in case of soviet involvement and or "what a perfect time to....."..... like I said, surreal.
Al '69
From: Mike Omelanuk
Date: Sat, 23 Nov 1996 07:11:39 -0500
Subject: Thanks
Thanks folks for re-joining (or joining) my life.
Happy Thanksgiving.
Mike '64
Date: Sun, 24 Nov 1996 14:19:15 +0000
From: Betty V. Seabury
Subject: New E-Mail address
Dear "All",
Just a note to let you know that our E-Mail address has changed. We are now with MindSpring based in Atlanta. The address is
DELETED
Write.
Betty and Katrina
From: Sandye Smith
Date: Mon, 25 Nov 1996 17:53:15 -0500 (EST)
Subject: [none]
Don Basiliere (who would have been in the BHS 64 class had he remained at Baker) passed away Saturday, November 23.
Sandye '64
From: Linda M. Cox
Date: Mon, 25 Nov 1996 21:27:20 -0600
Subject: Re: Welcome Keith
I came across Mark Latham's brother, Scott, about a year ago. He said Mark is a Colonel in the Army and was stationed in the Washington, D.C. area at the time (a week or two before Thanksgiving 1995).
Hope this helps.
Linda Cox BHS '72
From: R. Elaine Graves (Baker)
Date: 27 Nov 1996 10:05:10 EDT
Subject: Sad news...
I think I knew his brother. I can't remember his brother's name
right now. Also, I don't think he was a senior in 67...but I remember
seeing his picture in the 67 annual (one of the lower class years
in my annual). He looked very familiar.
From: R. Elaine Graves (Baker)
Date: 27 Nov 1996 12:06:18 EDT
Subject: Re: Musings - This day in history 1963
LI>Friends from Baker, do you remember this day in 1963. I still do vividly.
LI>was in Government class, when the news came over the intercom------that
LI>President Kennedy had been shot.
I do agree with you. I had the date mixed up, though. I thought it was
64. Oh well...just one
more mystery to solve. How sweet it is!
egb
My mom said my Dad was pretty bad off mentally when he came back from
Korea, too. She told me also he had nightmares for a long time.
(Maybe the "Korea experience" was as bad as Vietnam or similar
in some ways? Anybody out there been there? Do you care to comment?
I, myself, feel I have matured quite a bit since year 18. I will not,
DO NOT venture to say...having had no experience and never having been
there, myself. Anybody?
All I know or remember was that when I was 18, I asked the question, why
my dad cried out in his sleep so much since Vietnam.
I had this idea, young person as I was, that he was just over there
putting up buildings...you know "building CamRahn
Bay"). I have certainly found out much more about my Dad since then,
and also have looked into the Vietnam thing more so.
I have been told since then that ALL soldiers delt with
much...sniper fire, terrible insects and weather conditions and disease,
an odd, strange people, including children, who often seemed friendly
but turned on them, etc. To hear the ones who will talk about it
...it was 'mind blowing'and at times even stranger than Ripley's
Believe it or Not!
R. Elaine Graves '67
LI>My now ex-husband, Charles was in the Air Force. He went to Thailand and spent a year loading bombs, but never went to the front.
LI>Perhaps something good came from that era. The baby boomers that were left have fought, long and hard to make a better placefor our children. And I think, we'll never stop until we die.
I hope you are right about that!
EGB
From: R. Elaine Graves (Baker)
Date: 27 Nov 1996 12:25:20 EDT
Subject: Re: Musings - This day in history 1963
R. Elaine Graves '67
From: mike hursey
Date: Wed, 27 Nov 1996 17:55:29 -0800
Subject: Re: Musings - Note: A Bit Long
Mike '70
From: Johnny Joiner
Date: Thu, 28 Nov 1996 10:27:05 -0500
Subject: Thanksgiving
Hope everyone has a Happy Thanksgiving ( and a safe one ). We all have a great deal to be thankful for.
MRO