From: Mike Omelanuk
Date: Wed, 31 Jul 1996 07:48:55 -0400
Subject: Re: SPAM
<< I'm curious to know whether anyone has received any commercial or other undesired mail which you think may have been engendered by having your e-mail address on your Baker page. >>
I am getting a lot of unsolicited advertising (aka SPAM), but nothing points to the Baker page as a reason. A better way to find out would be to set up a dummy e-mail address and see what accumilates. Then we could decide if further protective actions are needed. I'd be glad to set up a dummy screen name on my account - just let me know.
Mike '64
From: Elaine Graves Baker
Date: 31 Jul 1996 10:38:14 EDT
Subject: Do We Need This?
LI>allow us to communicate with each other without compromising our
LI>privacy.
LI>I'm curious to know whether anyone has received any commercial or
LI>other undesired mail which you think may have been engendered by
LI>having your e-mail address on your Baker page.
LI>If this is a problem, or we think it might become a problem, we can
LI>supply e-mail addresses via e-mail instead of as direct links, kind-of
LI>like the postal address and phone stuff that is set up for testing on
LI>my own Baker page.
LI>Alternatively, we can fix it up so that clicking the mail-to line
LI>provides a warning against commercial use, then gives up the mail
LI>address. A collegaue, Tom Betz, suggested this. To see how it world
LI>work, check the mail-to link on the Robert Brown '65 page.
LI>Do we need something like this?
LI> --Bob
I for one have thought all along that an email would be better. It is much more private and easier to know who is actually addressing a question to me in particular. Probably some of my comments have been no use to some and yet they have to deal with my opinions (or they have to delete them, anyways). If the email system allows, personal groups could be utilized so that you, Bob, could address your comments or questions to "All", if you felt the need to address all of us. Also, I would not have to always sign my name....
Elaine Graves Baker (R. Elaine Groves '67) Some of you may be tired of that too.
From: Elaine Graves Baker
Date: 31 Jul 1996 11:24:54 EDT
Subject: Ledger-Enquirer
LI>>Can it be copied and posted on the webpage.
LI>We've asked the Ledger-Enquirer for permission to copy some other,
LI>very old, articles to the web page and gotten a resounding "no." I
LI>don't see any real point in asking about this one. Sigh.
LI> --Bob '65
I don't know what this was about....but I have an idea. If this Ledger-Enquirer is the Columbus newspaper (or one of them), maybe you (or someone else), could talk to them on the telephone (or email them) and ask them to do a feature article on the Baker Home Page. Feature writers are always looking for community interest subjects and the fact that there is a home page for one of the original high schools on the net is interesting probably to many more readers. Not only would Columbus area residents get the news but many individuals from other places subscriber to old hometown newspapers. The feature editor may not be interested however, but still he may generate interest to someone at the newspaper and therefore somehow give the Baker Home page a chance at some free advertising.
Elaine Graves Baker (R. Elaine Groves '67)
From: Elaine Graves Baker
Date: 31 Jul 1996 11:44:40 EDT
Subject: ledger article
LI>Mrs. Gramm has changed her number and it us unlisted so until the next time
LI>she is in my office I can't tell you where Phil graduated high school.
LI>Talked to Sam Jones, managing editor of the Ledger Enquirer, yesterday. We
LI>cannot put the Baker article on our webpage. So anyone out there that would
LI>like a copy, send me your addresses and I will mail it to you.
LI>Sandye 64
What is the article about, Sandye? I would love to have a copy but am hesitant to put address here. I may be too cautious but I have given over more information than I normally do to the Lions in order to get on here. It is my nature to be cautious (also, I have been taught to be cautious by a military father and by the jobs I have done here at Bragg).
Especially now...since the suspected bombing of the TWA plane and the bombing in Atlanta....our security manager is putting out all kinds of "how to be cautious material)...." I love CROLF's little saying about the "darkroom for fear....."and of course it applies.. in everyday life. But in these days and times...our country is messing in the business of other very volatile countries' governments....some of these governments are like large family clans and have been feuding for years....their way is to drive by and shoot... and then to apply "an eye for an eye", literally!
From: Jeanne Sweeney
Date: Wed, 31 Jul 1996 17:06:29 -0400
Subject: I think that I am ready for help of my school mates
I mentioned a few weeks back that I am working on an Internet course. We have had the server up for about 6 weeks now. To see how close we are ready for *prime time* I think that I am ready for ya'll to come visit my internet classroom.
The URL is:
http://gateach.peachnet.edu/west/
Your login is: omited
Your password is: omitted
There is a discussion list where all of you as students can write messages. If you know any HTML code, all the better because the email is set up for use of hypertext. Actually the ONLY thing that would be helpful is for you to use a <BR> or <P> at the end of sentences where you would like to have a line break. Please don't let a little HTML code prevent you from signing in on the discussion group.
You can write your comments to me here on my college email or within the course software. I am interested in your thoughts.
BTW, we are actually offering 2 internet courses this fall. One is entitled" "Health-Science Informatics" and it is open to grad and undergrad students. The other is a faculty development course entitled "Teaching on-line". Both courses were developed with grant money and are still under development. We expect to have them ready by October 1.
Thanks for your help. See you in the classroom.
Jeanne '65
From: Sandye Smith
Date: Wed, 31 Jul 1996 18:41:36 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: Re: ledger article
>
> What is the article about Sandye?
>
>The article appeared in the Ledger Enquirer in December l995. It is a
feature about Baker being on the internet. I have responded to Elaine
privately but for any of the rest of you who would like to have a copy of
the article my personal e-mail address is listed above and you can send your
addresses privately.
Bob: I have had no problems with ads etc by being on the Baker page.
Sandye '64
From: Mike Omelanuk
Date: Thu, 1 Aug 1996 08:16:30 -0400
Subject: E-Mail
I enjoy all the chatter. It's like friends sitting around the lunch table talking. Not everyone is interewsted in all the talk all the time, but it gives a sence of community and belonging.
I especially enjoy your thoughts, Elaine.
Mike '64
From: Jeannie Sweeney
Date: Thu, 01 Aug 1996 09:21:38 -0400
Subject: Re: E-Mail
I agree with Mike. I like sitting around that bunch table and talking or listening, for that matter. I also enjoy hearing Elaine's thoughts, and those of others. As I have said before this mail really helps to break up my day.
To be quite honest, when I dreamed up having Baker HS on the Internet a year ago, I NEVER envisioned what sweet rewards it would bring. Thanks to my classmate and friend, Bob Brown, for making it happen and to the rest of you who have contributed your time, thoughts and in some cases - money. It has been a great year. Jeannie '65
From: WILSON C GRIER
Date: Thu, 1 Aug 1996 09:28:00 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: Re: Mailing Lists
Regards...Wilson..'65
From: Bob Brown
Date: Thu, 1 Aug 96 11:27:04 EDT
Subject: Re: E-Mail
Truly it has. I love the way electronic communication lets us span distance and time.
On another matter, the consensus seems to be that we don't need to worry about e-mail addresses on Baker web pages. I'm pretty happy about that because I'm the one who'd have to put the changes in. <grin>
I'm beginning to get a dismaying amount of junk e-mail, but I think, hope, and suspect that it's because my name pops up all over the place rather than just because of the Baker link.
--Bob '65
From: Jeannie Sweeney
Date: Thu, 01 Aug 1996 15:13:06 -0400
Subject: URL correction
http://gateach.gac.peachnet.edu/west/
(I left out the gac that denotes Georgia College) Thanks Bob and Wilson for the notes regarding the error.
Jeannie '65
From: Elmer H. Young Young
Date: Thu, 1 Aug 96 22:30:52 UT
Subject: RE: E-Mail
Pete Young "63"
From: Bob Brown
Date: Thu, 1 Aug 96 21:34:50 EDT
Subject: Re: E-Mail
That's what I think, too, Pete. I certainly don't want to do away with the mailing list. We've provided a path for private communi- cation by putting addresses on the Baker Web pages, and we've provided the public mailing list for group discussion.
I don't have any way of knowing how much private e-mail is flowing back and forth amongst us Lions, but I suspect it's a lot. The mailing list volume is still a little on the low side, but it's growing as the number of members grows.
I'm all for doing anything we can support with the resources we've got, in "both-and" mode!
--Bob '65
From: Bob Brown
Date: Fri, 2 Aug 96 23:50:40 EDT
Subject: @ Baker
I like it because it immediately conveys the Internet idea, and if you say it as "at Baker" it reflects what many of us (I think) are thinking about as we read these messages and look at the Web pages.
Also, it's vaguely reminiscent of "On Lions," which everyone booed down last fall. <grin>
What does everyone else think? --Bob '65
From: Glenda
Date: Sat, 3 Aug 1996 01:12:05 -0400
Subject: Re: @ Baker
From: Mike Omelanuk
Date: Sat, 3 Aug 1996 08:27:22 -0400
Subject: Re: Lions Digest V1 #122
<< I recently received the suggestion that we call this project "@Baker." >>
I like it, but I must confess it triggered other suggestions. The thought
sequence went like this:
"@BakerHigh" >>> "get High@Baker" >>> "get High@Baker.On.Lion"
Bob, you're a bad influence. Oh well, can't all be perfect!
Mike '64
From: Mike Omelanuk
Date: Sat, 3 Aug 1996 11:18:55 -0400
Subject: Another Way to Hunt Lions!
http://www.Four11.com
I found
Bonnie Boyle
Robert L. (Bob) Brown
JESSE LAWRENCE JOHNSON
Johnny G. Joiner
Charles F. King
Mark M. Murdock
Glenn Earl & Pa Russell
Huston "Sonny" Sansome
James Gregory Tharp
Elizabeth (Liz) Ware
Elmer (Pete) Young
listed there ahead of me. Bob, If you can tell me if any of these have NOT contacted the Baker Home Page, I'll E-mail them and let them know about it.
Mike '64
From: Sandye Smith
Date: Sat, 3 Aug 1996 17:34:29 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: @Baker
I like it.
Sandye 64
From: mwhursey
Date: Sat, 03 Aug 1996 18:27:50 -0700
Subject: Re: @ Baker
From: Don Stauffer
Date: Sat, 3 Aug 1996 23:34:44 -0400
Subject: Re: @Baker
Don Stauffer '85
From: Jeannie Sweeney
Date: Sun, 04 Aug 1996 09:26:45 -0400
Subject: Re: @Baker, etc
My thanks to all of you who have visited the Georgia College virtual classroom. The last time I checked only Mike had signed in. Our mail server has been down for a couple of days, so haven't check the log recently. I will leave the login and password active for another couple of weeks, so hope you check out the site.
The URL is http://gateach.gac.peachnet.edu/west/
The login is: omitted
The password is: omitted
Jeannie '65
From: Bob Brown
Date: Sun, 4 Aug 96 14:58:00 EDT
Subject: Re: Another Way to Hunt Lions
Mike, if you want to send mail to those three folks, by all means please go ahead and invite them to join us. The most effective way for them to do that is by filling out the "Baker Lions, Please Sign In" form on the Web page.
I guess the only caveat is, be sure to tell them there's no charge for participating, other than what their own Internet providers may charge them for the time they use.
Thanks for working on this!
--Bob '65
From: Bob Brown
Date: Sun, 4 Aug 96 15:11:59 EDT
Subject: Re: book to come out
Copyright laws will prevent us from posting the entire essay on the Baker Web page without the permission of the author. She doesn't sound like someone who would give permission readily. <grin>
We can, however, post excerpts under the doctrine of "fair use," and so I'd very much like to get a copy into my hands. I'll also write the author and ask for permission to post it, and we'll see what happens.
We can also write to the editor and publisher if we can somehow identify errors of fact, as opposed to general unhappy opinion.
I'm sorry this is going on, but I don't think we should get too upset about it. If it's what it sounds like, namely the whining of a "professional victim" and self-styled intellectual, most people won't pay much attention to it. I hope.
--Bob '65
From: Randy Achey
Date: Sun, 4 Aug 1996 16:36:57 -0400
Subject: Re: book to come out
When Anita sent her manuscript to the reunion committee with permission to
distribute the essay she gave permission to reproduce and distribute copies
to
those who would like it. But her being a lawyer with as you describe a
"victim"
attitude, maybe you may want to contact her. Her address is:
Professor Anita L. Allen
omited
You may want to offer her praise and platitudes for her wonderous achievements, she's ready to let you know how wonderful she is.
Randy Achey
From: Bob Brown
Date: Sun, 4 Aug 96 16:49:12 EDT
Subject: Re: book to come out
Sooo, I looked up her e-mail address at Georgetown and sent her a message inviting her to join us! We'll see what happens.
As far as the essay goes, if someone can get a copy to me, I'll see what I can do about making it available.
--Bob '65
From: Huston Sansome
Date: Mon, 05 Aug 1996 14:03:07 -0500
Subject: Re: @ Baker
>Bob Brown wrote:
>>
>> We were talking about a name for the project a while back.
>> I recently received the suggestion that we call this project
>> "@Baker."
Sounds good to me.
Sonny 59>
From: Elaine Graves Baker
Date: 6 Aug 1996 11:24:34 EDT
Subject: Re: E-Mail
LI>year ago, I NEVER envisioned what sweet rewards it would bring. Thanks to
LI>my classmate and friend, Bob Brown, for making it happen and to the rest of
LI>you who have contributed your time, thoughts and in some cases - money. It
LI>has been a great year.
LI>Jeannie '65
Thank you, also, Jeannie.
I am gratified to find who all is responsible for this page. I am so excited about it. It is a wonderful thing to be able to get to know you all this way. I only hope that some day...I will have enough vacation time to meet some of you. Most of my off time from work is spent helping my 84 year old mother. I had hoped that by getting hearing aids and hip replacement and cataract surgery, I would soon have more time for my own designs, but it is not coming to fruition as I expected. The latest surgery (cataract removal and transplanted lens/right eye) has not seemed so successful. She is still trying to see and it is not working well.) Thanks again.
From: Elaine Graves Baker
Date: 6 Aug 1996 11:17:02 EDT
Subject: E-Mail
LI>Mike '64
Thank you for saying this Mike...You Have Made My Day!!!!}:+)
I need the good words. Actually, I love the chatter also. It is just that one side of me is a little paranoic and sometimes verrrryyyy stressed out. In fact, I have to thank you all for your patience with me when I get too opionionated or too cautious or just plain spaced out. This is great therapy for me, a lot of the time. It helps me to remember what is really important in the Grand PLan. I agree with you about the sense of community and belonging. My problem is that I have never had enough social interaction with long time friends ("roots") to always see when someone is accepting me. I think that is what I felt at Baker High School that I have held close to me all these years. There was a sense of kinship. Children of various ages and IQ's were accepted by all as important persons with valid emotions and ideas. I felt accepted for myself. This alien cat personage was given a warm hearth! Thanks again, Mike.
Elaine Graves Baker
From: Marie M. Powell
Date: Tue, 06 Aug 1996 11:58:16 EDT
Subject: Re: @ Baker, etc
I like @Baker, too.
Btw, I haven't gotten any unsolicitied mail...
...and on an unrelated note:
I've been receiving mail from this list in clumps (covering several days worth of mail) in reverse order (making it difficult to follow discussions) for the last few weeks. Has anyone else had this problem?
Marie '80, who's trying to figure out if the problem is local or remote...
From: Elaine Graves Baker
Date: 6 Aug 1996 16:10:36 EDT
Subject: @ Baker
Elaine Graves Baker (R. Elaine Groves '67)
From: Elaine Graves Baker
Date: 6 Aug 1996 16:21:32 EDT
Subject: Re: Lions Digest V1 #122
LI>Bob, you're a bad influence. Oh well, can't all be perfect!
LI>Mike '64
heheheheheheheheheheheheh!!!!!!!
hahahahahahahahahahahahhah!!!!
Yes!!! Brainstorm...
Lions getting high@baker brainstorming!!!!
Elaine Baker @baker brainstorming!!!
From: Elaine Graves Baker
Date: 6 Aug 1996 16:27:52 EDT
Subject: Re: book to come out
LI> --Bob '65
What? What is this about....?
From: Elaine Graves Baker
Date: 6 Aug 1996 16:32:34 EDT
Subject: Re: book to come out
you can't help it you liked Baker....
You can't even help it that you still have wonderful memories...
I can empathize with the mouth/brain part....
all I can say is you did
the right thing in inviting her to join us. I am glad she is a success
in her life, aren't you all?
Elaine G. '67
From: David M. Reed
Date: Tue, 6 Aug 1996 16:53:52 -0400
Subject: RE: book to come out
I'm not certain, but I think the first message on this subject didn't reach everyone on the mailing list. I didn't get it, but I assume from the replies that someone at Georgetown U. is writing an essay critical of her time at Baker.
Bob--what happened to the first message???
From: Bob Brown
Date: Tue, 6 Aug 96 17:36:20 EDT
Subject: Re: book to come out
Well, that's because I messed up. The original message was from Randy Achey, '70, and it was sent to Owner-Lions-L@Baker.HS.org, that is, to ^^^^^^ me with my list-owner's hat on, and not to the mailing list.
I responded to it as though it went to the list.
I still have a copy of it. Rnady, is it OK if I send it to everyone?
--Bob '65
From: Al Sciarrino
Date: Tue, 06 Aug 1996 19:02:43 -0500 (EST)
Subject: Re: book to come out
On the other hand, there are some Baker people I'd like to get even with!!!!! (non-violently, of course!!!) Something else we have to remember is that high school was a traumatic experience for some. My own home life was different, to say the least. Also, I always seemed to get a large pimple on my nose, just before a big date. I weighed 120 pounds, and was 6 feet tall. Some of my friends called me "Al the Mal" for malnutrition. I was from New York, Catholic, and Sicilian/Irish. There weren't many of my type in Columbus at the time! And I did want to wear a football letter jacket, but had no hope of competing with the mesomorphs at that weight! So, I just tried to steal all of their girlfriends, and usually succeeded.
Let's lighten up. I read Newt's account of Baker. He was a nerd. I wrote my own partial account in my novel "Officer Candidate School," so I encourage y'all to buy it. But I do remember many people having a hard time. If you were Hispanic, you weren't quite accepted, to say the least...let's be honest. Also, there were no Black faces at Baker during my time...a sign of those segregated times. It was not all peaches and cream for everyone in and around Baker. I warned of this a couple of months ago...that not everyone is going to want to come on line with their old high school in a positive fashion!
As an army brat, I was used to moving. But moving took its toll in numerous ways. While overall I had happy experiences, it might just be that at this age those are all I want to remember. I will buy her book, or any book written about Baker. We are all worth a good book...warts and all. Oh hell...I give up with this. Bye...Al...an enternal "Baker Bum!"
From: RAchey9688
Date: Tue, 6 Aug 1996 20:32:36 -0400
Subject: Re: book to come out
Randy
From: Bob Brown
Date: Tue, 6 Aug 96 21:42:55 EDT
Subject: book to come out
--Bob
- ----------------------------------------------------------------
I'm trying to locate the copy of the essay, but just to let everybody be aware that there is an essay being printed in a textbook about BHS that is not very favorable, and to be honest, downright false in some aspects about to be published.
Anita Allen (70) associate professor of law at Georgetown University is publishing in the textbook an essay about her experiences at Baker. She makes the students look like a whole lot of KKK rednecks, and especially is critical of Oscar Boyles. She makes him out to be just to the right of J.B. Stoner and Lester Maddox.
The reason I thought everyone should be aware is that since she takes shots at Newt Gingrich that the press may pick it up and the publicity would taint all of us. If I can find the essay, I will upload it or send it to Bob for scanning, it is over 30 pages long. If you don't see it on line, I will e-mail Bob the number of somebody who has the original copy and maybe they will send it in. I don't think I need to put that person's number here, I'm sure that she would not appreciate the calls.
Just thought you all should be aware. By the way, when I wrote her and pointed out her errors in accuracy, she said "my essay was very much intended to be a personal recollection, written for a book of personal recollections by black and white intellectuals and lawyers.
The book is titled Reassessing the Sixties, edited by Professor Stephen Macedo.
Randy Achey
From: Mike Omelanuk
Date: Tue, 6 Aug 1996 22:32:47 -0400
Subject: book to come out
<< Well, I've calmed down a bit. I realized I haven't read the essay, wasn't at Baker when she was there, and even if I had been, would have had different experiences. I'm a bit embarrassed at having shot off my mouth without engaging my brain.>>
Okay, I missed something here. I checked back old messages and still can't find out -
What Essay?
Who wrote it?
What does she plan to do with it?
And how did I miss all this?
Do tell all, please?
Mike '64
From: Mike Omelanuk
Date: Tue, 6 Aug 1996 23:26:48 -0400
Subject: The Search Goes On
Bob Wrote:
>>I can't identify Glenn Earl or Pa Russell as people we know about at all,
which only means our lists are incomplete.<<
Actually the listed names were truncated the real names are
Glenn Earl & Patricia Ann Pinkham Russell
I sent them an e-mail.
Greg Tharp's AOL e-mailbox was full, so he may not be on line much. I'll try again.
Also found another on-line locator utility. I listed myself on it, but it isn't as handy as some. Bob, they seem to link directly to schools, so you may want to contact them and get a link set up to @Baker.
If you are wondering how I have all tis time, Norma is playing bridge tonight, and April was at work until a few minutes ago. Now she wants the phone, so I'm gone!
Mike '64
From: C. Rolf Milton
Date: Wed, 07 Aug 1996 10:47:59 -0800
Subject: Re: @ Baker
>
> We were talking about a name for the project a while back.
> I recently received the suggestion that we call this project
> "@Baker."
> What does everyone else think?
> --Bob '65
Sounds good to me
Rolf
From: C. Rolf Milton
Date: Wed, 07 Aug 1996 10:53:32 -0800
Subject: Re: book to come out
>
> Ouch! A nasty essay by an unhappy Baker student, eh?
> --Bob '65
I think I might need a good laugh - where can I find this manuscript?
Rolf
From: C. Rolf Milton
Date: Wed, 07 Aug 1996 11:17:21 -0800
Subject: Re: book to come out
How does one qualify for this demographic niche?
Rolf '67
From: Elaine Graves Baker
Date: 7 Aug 1996 10:33:32 EDT
Subject: book to come out
As a woman, I myself, am supposedly in a class called minority. I feel it more though, as a single householder living alone, trying to repair my lawn mower while watching the grass grow all around me. The political distinction of minorities is a subject much talked about by lawyers and intellectualls alike, but makes no difference to me when I am stumped as to what to do next on the small combustion engine, that runs my mower. But on the debate, I suppose I thought by being fair myself, others would treat me fairly all of my life. I guess I thought I would be treated equally by everyone, also, because I grew up being fair to others. So much for the raging idealism, I felt in the 60's. A lot of social change has been brought about, but there is still so much unrest. All of the people of the South are continually put down as "rednecks". Supposedly, all of us were born with a antisocial tendencies (if we go on the opinions about us put forth by others). But, I do not see it that way. I do not see myself that way.
There are many gentle souls in the South. I see many people of all creeds, nationalities, ethnic backgrounds, with lovely manners, who care very much what happens to their fellow human being. Even my father, whose life and ideas I critisized when I was younger, who was forced to quit school at age 9 to work in coal mines, had a certain world and time in which to live. I only knew him as a father. I know he worked as a carpenter and became a military man who was sought after for his expertise in certain situations. I'm sure now that he had his own set of circumstances with which to relate. I think a person' s perceptions are just that, his or her own perceptions of the people, places and situations around them.
I think all have felt unfairness meted out at some time or another. It never feels good. But it is a fact of life. If I walked in Anita Allen's shoes, or AL's shoes or if they walked in mine, I believe we all would find that it is much like Einstein's theory..."relative".
As a child, I had my own awkwardnesses. I was painfully selfconscious (still am if someone aims a camera at me). But no one knew of it. As teenagers, most of us could not even express some of our most personal, in depth emotions. It is part of the awkwardness. Those teenage bodies and minds were in transition. We lacked experience and therefore, to some extent, judgement capability. It was enough to be growing into a "strange" adult body! I myself, still feel that I am exactly the same person, mentally, that I was at age 12. But I am 48 (15 July 1948). My body is still growing older. My mind continues to catalog experiences as I process them. Life goes on and the grass grows.
From: C. Rolf Milton
Date: Wed, 07 Aug 1996 19:25:22 -0800
Subject: Re: book to come out
Rolf '67
From: Mike Omelanuk
Date: Thu, 8 Aug 1996 00:49:29 -0400
Subject: Reading material
<< I read Newt's account of Baker. >>
Al, where did you get it? I'd like to read it too. H e has ignore my request for a copy of his press club speach.
<<I wrote my own partial account in my novel "Officer Candidate School," >>
So Al, if I buy the book, can we post the Baker parts on the @Baker page?
In a message dated 96-08-07 04:02:25 EDT, Randy Achey wrote:
<< By the way, when I wrote her and pointed out her errors in accuracy, she said "my essay was very much intended to be a personal recollection, written for a book of personal recollections by black and white intellectuals and lawyers. >>
So from this we can infer that black and white intellectuals and lawyers are not concerned with accuracy?! I must confess, the idea has crossed this dull intellect before now.
And now, great news, another Lion found. Here is his note in reply to mine.
Subj: Re: Baker Web Site
Date: 96-08-07 22:19:47 EDT
From: Patricia Russell
To: Mike Omelanuk
brad russell wrote:
Hi,
I recieved your email this morning and tried the web site but it was not
available. I will try later.
I went to Baker in 1972-1973 while my father was stationed at Ft. Benning. I have heard that it is a Junior High now. It was very stange how I found out.
I live in Trenton, Maine now and I was at a Sears store in Bangor which is about 40 miles from my house and I saw this car with GA plates and I saw 2 kids by it and then later I saw them in the store so I aasked them where in Ga they were from. They saisd Columbus and that their Dad was being transfered here to teach ROTC at the Univ of ME.Then I told them I had gone to school there and I told them where and that's when they told me it had changed.
I went to Columbus College for 3 years. It is strange that you saw I went there. Ihave been trying to get in touch with an old friend from there. I have lost touch with her in the last 5 years. Her name was Eloise Thompson now it is Norris. Maybe she will be listed.
I am very new to the internet. I only started last week using it so it was great to get mail from you. Thanks for leaving me the message and chat again if you wish.
Pat
BOB, yo BOB. I'll be thru Atlanta Sunday evening on the way out flying back to Chicago. Dad had heart surgery last week, and I'm on my way now to visit him (read that as keeping mom from going nuts as dad is NOT agood patient.) Any way, if ther eis any way I see getting time, I'll call so maybe we can get a few minutes together. Think the flight is about 7:45 pm American. Will do my best...got both phone numbers.
Mike '64
From: Elaine Graves Baker
Date: 8 Aug 1996 09:35:58 EDT
Subject: Re: book to come out
LI>How does one qualify for this demographic niche?
LI>Rolf '67
My sentiments exactly! Elaine Graves (R. Elaine Groves '67)
From: Elmer H. Young Young
Date: Thu, 8 Aug 96 14:43:10 UT
Subject: RE: @ Baker
Pete Young '63
From: Marie M. Powell
Date: Thu, 08 Aug 1996 10:57:38 EDT
Subject: Re: @ Baker
Marie '80
From: C. Rolf Milton
Date: Thu, 08 Aug 1996 10:58:30 -0800
Subject: Re: book to come out
As for intellectual (as a noun), hmm? I do not consider myself that, after all, my nine year old daughter is convinced adults are not too bright . . .
Rolf '67
From: mwhursey
Date: Thu, 08 Aug 1996 16:35:03 -0700
Subject: Re: book to come out
> LI>> a book of personal recollections by black and white intellectuals and lawyers
>
> LI>How does one qualify for this demographic niche?
>
> LI>Rolf '67
> My sentiments exactly!
> Elaine Graves (R. Elaine Groves '67)
Notice that they are mutually exclusive!
Mike '70
From: Bob Brown
Date: Thu, 8 Aug 96 20:45:06 EDT
Subject: Al's Book
Well, Al, how' bout it? C'n we quote relevant parts here? On the Web pages? ("No" is an OK answer... I don't understand all I know about copyright laws. Just let us know what the limits are.)
--Bob '65
From: C. Rolf Milton
Date: Thu, 08 Aug 1996 23:41:15 -0800
Subject: Re: book to come out
> Notice that they are mutually exclusive!
> Mike '70
Ooops, now see, if I were an intellectual I would have noticed that.
Ah well, I'm not a lawyer either - THANK THE ....
Rolf '67
From: RAchey9688
Date: Fri, 9 Aug 1996 08:25:01 -0400
Subject: more on intellectuals and lawyers
Randy Achey (70)
From: Mike Forlines
Date: Fri, 09 Aug 1996 13:39:16 -0400
Subject: Re: Reading material
I just happen to work with Eloise Thompson's brother Albert here in Columbus. I know she lives near Atlanta. Send EMail directly to me, and I will get you info on Eloise.
Mike '77
From: Elaine Graves Baker
Date: 9 Aug 1996 15:36:34 EDT
Subject: Re: Reading material
Elaine Graves Baker '67
From: Al Sciarrino
Date: Fri, 09 Aug 1996 16:38:09 -0500 (EST)
Subject: Re: Al's Book
You certainly can quote relevant parts...if you think it's appropriate. I don't slam Baker or Columbus, but some of what's written might offend some. I'm not sure. What was said was in the context of the entire novel, some passages self-deprecating to the protagonist, and all in the context of the 1960's. See what you think. As I said in my note, I had great times at Baker and remember them and have returned often (by the way did you get my picture of the Baker stone with the Horace Mann quote yet?). But Baker, like every other high school had warts...and the South did change. I also would like to say that some of the most racist, bigoted people I've ever personally met are up here in the North. Anyway, feel free to use what you like...I hold the copyright!!!!!!
Al '64
From: Al Sciarrino
Date: Fri, 09 Aug 1996 16:39:37 -0500 (EST)
Subject: Re: more on intellectuals and lawyers
Al '64
From: Al Sciarrino
Date: Fri, 09 Aug 1996 16:43:40 -0500 (EST)
Subject: Re: Al's Book
Al '64
From: C. Rolf Milton
Date: Fri, 09 Aug 1996 15:28:06 -0800
Subject: Re: more on intellectuals and lawyers
>
> Hey...I'm a lawyer and a college professor...if the shoe fits, right?
> There's good in bad in every profession! Al '64
Touchy, touchy . . . ;-) I'm sorry, there are just too many funny lawyer jokes out there to let this go.
Rolf
From: Bob Brown
Date: Fri, 9 Aug 96 19:56:05 EDT
Subject: Al's Book
I doubt it. Mostly we're here because we loved the time we spent at Baker, but mostly we're grown-ups now, too. (Sigh.) Also, we know (because you're here) that *you* loved your time at Baker. I doubt anyone will be offended, even if we are surprised.
>did you get the picture...
Yes indeed! Sandye did an excellent job with her scanner and you did an excellent job with your camera. I was saving it up for "What's New @ Baker" on Sunday. "Stay tuned...Sunday! ... Sunday!..."
From: Mike Omelanuk
Date: Fri, 9 Aug 1996 23:20:26 -0400
Subject: Atlanta Visit
Mike '64
From: Mike Omelanuk
Date: Sat, 10 Aug 1996 13:12:26 -0400
Subject: Lawyers
>Hey...I'm a lawyer and a college professor...if the shoe fits, right? <
Yeah Al, but are you a black/white INTELLECTUAL lawyer?
In a message dated 96-08-10 04:02:17 EDT, Rolf wrote:
>Touchy, touchy . . . ;-) I'm sorry, there are just too many funny
>lawyer jokes out there to let this go.
>
>Rolf
Don't get me started. (Twist my arm - Please!)
Mike '64
From: Mike Omelanuk
Date: Sat, 10 Aug 1996 13:20:15 -0400
Subject: BOB/Visit
Mike '64
From: C. Rolf Milton
Date: Sat, 10 Aug 1996 10:14:24 -0800
Subject: Re: Lawyers
> Yeah Al, but are you a black/white INTELLECTUAL lawyer?
Oooooh, that's good!
Rolf
From: C. Rolf Milton
Date: Sat, 10 Aug 1996 10:28:18 -0800
Subject: Re: Lawyer Jokes
Rolf '67
From: Mike Omelanuk
Date: Sun, 11 Aug 1996 13:37:59 -0400
Subject: Lawyer Jokes
MIKE '64
From: David M. Reed
Date: Mon, 12 Aug 1996 09:02:02 -0400
Subject: RE: Lawyer Jokes
Recently, research scientists have begun to use lawyers in experiments instead of laboratory rats. They stated that there were three reasons to do so:
1. There is a more plentiful supply of lawyers.
2. Some people have formed emotional attachments to laboratory rats.
3. There are just some things that a laboratory rat won't do.
David M. Reed '83
From: Elaine Graves Baker
Date: 12 Aug 1996 09:00:10 EDT
Subject: Re: more on intellectuals and lawyers
I, for one, really value the lawyers I have retained in this lifetime. I have nothing against (really) Ms. Allen's remark except for the tone. But then again, I did not see the actual remarks that prompted her remark, either. It may be she felt "threatened" by the questions and/or criticisms.
But, she made it sound as if "HER" book had been written for an elite class of people. The remark came off sounding "snobbish". I think she might not have meant to sound thus...but sometimes when answering certain questions one gets on the defensive. You surely know that, as a lawyer, yourself. She sounded "defensive" and "snobbish".
I probably would not have read the book, having never heard of it until this Lion's List. But then, if there had been favorable criticism of her book, here, I might of thought of doing so eventually. And now, I am "biased". The book goes to the end of the list and then some. Did you say your book was entitled "Officer Candidate School"? Was it based on your own experiences? Is it nonfiction?
From: Al Sciarrino
Date: Mon, 12 Aug 1996 12:50:56 -0500 (EST)
Subject: Re: more on intellectuals and lawyers
While on leave, Charles Moreno, returns to Columbus and to Baker. That short section is about one's returning to high school after finishing Basic Training. As I say, that part is rather short, as the book really is about OCS. I do mention the fact that society was changing, and that Moreno was in the last class before integration, etc. And, frankly, as I look at our high school events section on the website, the year Baker was integrated (I believe 1965) is not mentioned...though certainly a noteworthy event or milestone and should be.
I personally have not seen my fellow lawyer's remarks about Baker...we all seem to be operating in the blind here...also, I think you're right...she no doubt did not mean to be snobbish, but was trying to point out the audience. I've written articles for law reviews that I have been thrilled to see in print, though knowing that even my mother wouldn't be interested in reading them...just other people writing on similar stuff. With all this, I'm only saying that we need not rush into judgment and condemn someone...especially another Baker grad (which is why I defend Newt up here, even though I don't agree with him on many things...HE'S BAKER BY GOD!!!!).....and we should also realize that Baker was not a positive experience for everyone...not much different, I imagine, if you polled alums from any high school really.
For instance, I currently have a son and daughter in junior high. One hates the school, the other loves it. How do you figure? But I do respect the view of the one that hates it just as much as the one who loves it...and both of their arguments for and against make some sense. I guess it's how one's view it from the total perspective after living longer. By the end of their high school careers, their views may shift into just the opposite positions. Well...enough from me today. Gotta go back to work.
Al '64
From: Al Sciarrino
Date: Mon, 12 Aug 1996 13:10:23 -0500 (EST)
Subject: Re: Al's Book
Did I read you say at one time that the stone was removed to school district headquarters, or something like that? I also sent Sandye two pictures of Baker...with bold letters, "Baker High School," on the outside walls! But she says there are many pictures of Baker that have come in. Mine must have been taken just before it became a junior high, though. Al '64
From: Mike Forlines
Date: Mon, 12 Aug 1996 15:21:12 -0400
Subject: RE: Lawyer Jokes
Mike '77
From: C. Rolf Milton
Date: Mon, 12 Aug 1996 11:38:12 -0800
Subject: Re: Lawyer Jokes
> 3. There are just some things that a laboratory rat won't do.
Yes, I think we've opened up a whole new can of lawyers here.
Rolf '67
From: Al Sciarrino
Date: Mon, 12 Aug 1996 12:35:53 -0500 (EST)
Subject: RE: Lawyer Jokes
From: GlennWells
Date: Mon, 12 Aug 1996 17:54:55 -0400
Subject: Re: Essay, Lawyers, etc.
As for lawyers and intellectuals, be nice. You shouldn't pick on people who aren't able to make an honest living.
So, Al, did you hear the one about the professor, the lawyer, and the novelist who were (was?) in a bar and . . . Oh, yeah, you would have, wouldn't you? <grin>
By the way, any of you who graduated from Columbus College will soon be able to get a certificate (for a nominal fee yet to be determined) certifying that you are a graduate of Columbus State University. Think of it as a software upgrade for your resume. More details as they are available.
Glenn Wells '60 & Faculty
From: Bob Brown
Date: Mon, 12 Aug 96 18:44:13 EDT
Subject: Huzzah!
We've got two sign-ins from '91 still outstanding because of no class list, but nothing else.
Sooo... these are in the class rolls and clickable now; they'll be in What's New @Baker on Sunday evening. (However, those of us in the know can peek ahead at the Coming Attractions in What's New... if you select "view document source" in your browser, you'll see next week's stuff as it's entered.
If you sent in a sign-in and your name isn't clickable in your class roll, I've lost it. Please sent it again. (I'm *really* sorry, but things were very hectic when we first turned the server on, and I didn't really know what I was doing.)
--Bob '65
From: C. Rolf Milton
Date: Tue, 13 Aug 1996 15:17:11 -0800
Subject: Re: Lawyer Jokes
>
> I'm bored...I've heard them all. Funny, though when anyone gets into trouble
> it's a lawyer they call. Al '64
That's true, but i think mothers get a lot of those calls too :-)
Rolf '67
From: C. Rolf Milton
Date: Tue, 13 Aug 1996 15:19:25 -0800
Subject: Re: Essay, Lawyers, etc.
>
> As for lawyers and intellectuals, be nice. You shouldn't pick on people who aren't able to make an honest living.
Oh, Oh - the wrath of Al will be upon you
Rolf '67
From: C. Rolf Milton
Date: Tue, 13 Aug 1996 15:20:18 -0800
Subject: Re: Huzzah!
>
> Well, I've *finally* finished all the "old" sign-ins.
Bob,
you do great work!
Rolf '64
From: Jeannie Sweeney
Date: Tue, 13 Aug 1996 20:53:03 -0400
Subject: Re: Huzzah!
I agree with Rolf ... Bob does terrific work! I don't believe Bob Brown when he says that he didn't know what he was doing when he turned the server on. I am so impressed with the work that he has done.
There are so many of you that I would never have connected or reconnected with if we didn't have this home page project. The faculty and students at Baker were major contributors to "who" I am today. It is good to reconnect and to meet some old friends and to meet some new friends.
Jeannie '65
From: C. Rolf Milton
Date: Tue, 13 Aug 1996 18:21:21 -0800
Subject: Re: Huzzah!
Just in case, I'll be in Atlanta for four days this weekend for my wife's 20 year reunion (Yes, she says I'm old and that she isn't :-) Anyway, if any of you are in the Atlanta area and wish to recall some Baker years, let me know. Have a great day, all of you (even you black and white intellectuals and lawyers - or is it back and white intellectual lawyers - I'm sooooo confused).
BTW, someone mentioned the first year of integration at Baker; can't remember the theme of the post, but I was at Baker that year. I relish informing some of my more enlightened liberal friends that we crackers (current and former) didn't hiccup when that happened and (at least I remember it that way) it went quite smoothly at Baker and without incident. Is that just my memory or is it accurate? What do some of you, that were there at the time, remember?
Rolf '67
From: Bob Brown
Date: Tue, 13 Aug 96 22:42:29 EDT
Subject: Re: Huzzah!
Now, c'mon, guys! I would never even have thought of this on my own, and when someone did think of it and mention it to me, I focused on mailing lists. Jeannie thought of the Web page and kept after the idea 'til it worked.
The fact is, @Baker is not Bob Brown nor Jeannie Sweeney nor Sandye Johnson nor any other one of us. It's something that would never have come to pass if it hadn't been for a whole group of people dedicated to making it work.
@Baker is a reality "because it's time," and not because of any particular person. If I hadn't been able to volunteer the Internet connection, someone else would have. This would have happened within a few months pretty much regardless, because it's time, and because we wanted it to.
Why don't we all give *ourselves* a round of applause!
--Bob '65
<clap> <clap> <clap> ...
From: Mike Omelanuk
Date: Tue, 13 Aug 1996 23:35:38 -0400
Subject: Re: Lions Digest V1 #132
<< I'm bored...I've heard them all. Funny, though when anyone gets into trouble it's a lawyer they call. >>
Not necessarily. Did you see the news articles about the difference between law suites after the TWA crash vs the Value Jet? As of the article's date (last week I think) there had been no suits filed after TWA vs multitudes within days of the Value Jet crash. Seems the attorneys had to be told by their professional organizations that it wasn't ethical to solict clients from newspaper lists of victims.
On the other hand, my company was once sued by a couple who but lye in their baby's formula and claimed our product was defective. Unfortunately, neither oif them got the electric chair they deserved.
And did you hear about the lady who sued Sears because she put her cat in the micro wave oven to dry. Claimed there should have a warning label. (True, I swear!)
For thos of you following my venture with my dad's health problems, the infection in his arm is under control and I'm back home. Was scary there for a while! Thanks for you support and prayers. My hat's off to Kathy who was there helping them most of the summer.
Mike '64
From: Al Sciarrino
Date: Wed, 14 Aug 1996 11:31:47 -0500 (EST)
Subject: Re: Huzzah!
From: Elaine Graves Baker
Date: 14 Aug 1996 11:42:04 EDT
Subject: Re: more on intellectuals and lawyers
Hi...
Who you were speaking to...hummm......I confess. It was me...Elaine Graves Baker (R. Elaine Groves '67). Sorreee...I forgot to sign my name! Yes, again. I am the most imperfect person I know. Sometimes I am even guilty of not practising "what I preach", (Elaine grins, sheepishly).
Sounds as if your book MAY be 'fiction', if you, in fact, 'made-up' the character, "Charles Moreno". In non-fiction, all IS fact. Either reader or author should be able to corroborate all people, places and situations,( (or instructions, in the case of "how to" manuals). Fiction COULD BE true (could happen), could be partly based on truth (such as, "philisophical truths"), partly based on fact (ie., "historical" fiction), or purely "fantasy" coming 'completely' from the author's imagination (ie., "one-eyed, one-horned, flying, purple, people-eaters"). I really value your comments, Al. You "come across" as a practical person, who separates the "wheat from the chaf"! Having talked with you on this "forum", I would be VERY willing to consult with you as a lawyer. Are you in Georgia?
Elaine Graves Baker, Fayetteville, North Carolina.
From: Elaine Graves Baker
Date: 14 Aug 1996 11:46:14 EDT
Subject: RE: Lawyer Jokes
"TOUCHE`, Al!
****Elaine, '67*****
From: C. Rolf Milton
Date: Wed, 14 Aug 1996 08:22:02 -0800
Subject: Re: Huzzah!
>
> Bob...your too meek. Thanks for all you've done. I for one think that you
> should change your name to Bob Baker! Seriously, you have made a joy for
> alot of us!!! Al '64...I'll even take a lawyer joke from YOU...Rolf...keep
> quiet!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!11
OK, Al, enough - I think I've had enough fun with this. Who should we pick on next? Guys with funny first names!??!
Rolf '67
From: Elaine Graves Baker
Date: 14 Aug 1996 12:04:52 EDT
Subject: Re: Huzzah!
LI>Jeannie '65
I agree, wholeheartly.
All of you are correct...three cheers for Bob! and three more and three more. Sing along, all..... "For he's a jolly good fellow....For he's a jolly good fellow, For he's a jolly good Felllloooooww! Which no ONE can deny!
Elaine Graves Baker .... who is overjoyed to be connected and reconnected to you all!!!
Have a better and better day!
From: Elaine Graves Baker
Date: 14 Aug 1996 12:09:48 EDT
Subject: Re: Huzzah!
LI> --Bob '65
LI><clap> <clap> <clap> ...
Oh....Bob.... You sooooooo modest!...... Elaine, '67
From: Elaine Graves Baker
Date: 14 Aug 1996 11:46:14 EDT
Subject: RE: Lawyer Jokes
"TOUCHE`, Al!
****Elaine, '67*****
From: Marie M. Powell
Date: Wed, 14 Aug 1996 12:42:14 EDT
Subject: Re: Huzzah!
> OK, Al, enough - I think I've had enough fun with this. Who should we
> pick on next? Guys with funny first names!??!
>
> Rolf '67
OK, I'll take this one and run with it...
Hey Rolf, Do people actually purchase real estate in Alaska?! <grin>
- -Marie '80
From: C. Rolf Milton
Date: Wed, 14 Aug 1996 10:42:03 -0800
Subject: Re: Huzzah!
Rolf '67
From: David M. Reed
Date: Wed, 14 Aug 1996 14:25:20 -0400
Subject: RE: Huzzah!
pla
p u
a se
a round of applause)
From: Elaine Graves Baker
Date: 14 Aug 1996 15:27:20 EDT
Subject: Another Way to Hunt Lions!
Hey...I got signed on 411!!!!
I also got a Match on someone (if it is the same Linda Melton) I knew overseas!!! I am writing all of them a letter or emailing them or both.
Elaine Graves Baker
From: Mike Omelanuk
Date: Wed, 14 Aug 1996 20:04:35 -0400
Subject: Bob's Work
<< How about a round of applause for Bob? It's true, Bob, great job! thanks to you and this site I have thoroughly enjoyed the Baker memories - - thank you! >>
Clap, clap, clap. Yeah Bob!
In a message dated 96-08-14 04:02:22 EDT, Bob Brown wrote:
<< The fact is, @Baker is not Bob Brown nor Jeannie Sweeney nor Sandye Johnson nor any other one of us. It's something that would never have come to pass if it hadn't been for a whole group of people dedicated to making it work. >>
Yeah, but you guys have most of the sweat equity!
Mike '64
From: Bob Brown
Date: Wed, 14 Aug 96 20:32:58 EDT
Subject: Bob's Work
I prefer to think that I "perspire profusely." <grin>
Actually, this evening I'm sweating over the syllabus for CS675. Fall is a *very* short quarter. My students are going to have to work their tails off in the fine Fall weather.
--Bob '65
From: Elaine Graves Baker
Date: 15 Aug 1996 11:42:28 EDT
Subject: Re: E-Mail
Hey...I am confused.
Who is Pete? Did I delete something here? I thought you were answering, Mike '64....
And is Kathy Agar related to Pete or Mike or who Omelanuk in Atlanta? Did she also go to Baker?
If so...which class?
Elaine Graves Baker 67
From: BERCO95
Date: Thu, 15 Aug 1996 12:07:21 -0400
Subject: Re: Huzzah!
Bruce Emerson
From: Katherine Agar
Date: Thu, 15 Aug 1996 11:55:43 -0600 (MDT)
Subject: identity crisis
I am Mike Omelanuk's sister. I went to Baker from 62-65, but left before my senior year. I consider myself part of the class of '65.
To all those I didn't get to see this summer, esp. Jeannie and Deborah, sorry! My visits were curtailed by my dad's operation. Maybe next year.
Kathy Agar
From: Deborah Valentine
Date: Thu, 15 Aug 1996 15:10:08 -0400
Subject: Re: identity crisis
How about the idea of a standard I.D. line at the top of each message, so we can more easily figure out who's talking? Remember our military dependent I.D. cards?
=============
Kathy, please don't apologize for not calling. We're all glad to hear your dad is better.
I talked to Joyce Harper Wells '66 (married to Dudley Wells '65) last night. Her father unexpectedly died last month. She was just returning to work after three weeks of taking care of her mother who suffers from dementia. Many of our age group face similar problems which keep us almost too busy to nurture our other relationships.
We will have dinner with Joyce and Dudley on Friday in Columbus prior to the '66 reunion on Saturday. I'll let everyone know how it went (the Oscar Boyle mini-tribute) next week.
I've been enjoying reading all the postings but too busy to participate. Prentice-Hall is releasing our book (CrossTalk: Communicating in a Multicultural Workplace) September 6th. My co-author (Sherron Kenton, a coleague at Emory) and I have been furiously writing the Seminar Leader's Guide. During the Olympics we got a call from the local CBS affiliate wanting our "take" on why the foreign media was bashing Atlanta. It was our 5.2 seconds of on-air fame. (So much for 15 minutes!) Anyway, as the rest of you who've published know, a book can consume a lot of time and energy. I'll try to participate more frequently from now on.
Bob, kudos to you and Jeannie and Mike and all those who've volunteered time, effort and ideas to @Baker. You've managed to create a "virtual community" which benefits and enriches us all.
--D.A.V. '66
From: Glenda
Date: Thu, 15 Aug 1996 19:56:58 -0400
Subject: Re: identity crisis
Glenda
From: Bob Brown
Date: Thu, 15 Aug 96 22:41:20 EDT
Subject: Virtual Reunion?
Joe's in Kazakhstan, and probably won't make it to the reunion on Saturday. <grin> He wanted to know whether there's a way he could participate "virtually."
Joe's an AOL subscriber, and I'm not, but couldn't we do something with an AOL "chat room" if we had a portable PC at the reunion?
Leaving the technology aside, there's a time-shift problem. Where Joe is, it's already tomorrow. I used to think I understood the Inter- national Date Line, but I was mistaken. The only thing I understand about it is why the British put it as far away as possible!
--Bob '65
From: Freeman, William
Date: Fri, 16 Aug 1996 07:13:42 -0400
Subject: Re: Huzzah!
Just read an e-mail Glenda replied to. She mentioned Jeri White. I was fortunate enough to see her a couple years ago at my cousins marriage. She was still looking good. Tell her hi for me. Hopefully I'll get back to Columbus one of these days and be able to see all of the old crowd. Seeing these names brings back many fond memories that were lost over time. If any of you are in the Washington, DC area look me up and we'll get together.............................
Bill Freeman '67
From: lions-l
To: lions-l
Subject: Re: Huzzah!
Just in case, I'll be in Atlanta for four days this weekend for my wife's 20 year reunion (Yes, she says I'm old and that she isn't :-) Anyway, if any of you are in the Atlanta area and wish to recall some Baker years, let me know. Have a great day, all of you (even you black and white intellectuals and lawyers - or is it back and white intellectual lawyers - I'm sooooo confused).
BTW, someone mentioned the first year of integration at Baker; can't remember the theme of the post, but I was at Baker that year. I relish informing some of my more enlightened liberal friends that we crackers (current and former) didn't hiccup when that happened and (at least I remember it that way) it went quite smoothly at Baker and without incident. Is that just my memory or is it accurate? What do some of you, that were there at the time, remember?
Rolf '67
From: Joe Lahnstein
Date: Fri, 16 Aug 1996 09:58:06 -0400
Subject: Re: Virtual Reunion?
it would be great for the chat room, but my schedule has changed and it looks like while y'all are partying on, i'll be flying the friendly skies of kazair heading back to almaty from a city now called Aktau, previously known as Shevchenko, [for those so inclined to look at the map of this part of the world, look in the SE corner of the caspian west of uzbekistan and north of iran.]
sorry the timing didn't work out. thought i'd be back in town before the party. one of these reunions we'll try to be on the same continent.
cheers,
joe '66
From: Elaine Graves Baker
Date: 16 Aug 1996 11:43:34 EDT
Subject: identity crisis
LI>I am Mike Omelanuk's sister. I went to Baker from 62-65, but left before my LI>senior year.
NOT! not an identity CRISIS!
Just a little eentsie bit confused...I thought you said you would be at your Dad's house and here was his email address...then Mike came and he used it .... I didn't see any class year beside your name...so I thought .... well maybe Mike is the DAD! Kathy the KID! I know Mike's Dad was not his usual self... because Mike made several references to his Dad's health. I am a little embarrassed because I DID make an asumption here. (My son, Troy always tol' me that it was the very worst thing a parent could do. He said "you make an 'ass - of u - m - e!' When you assume!"
Oops, Hey Troy....She did it again!!! Troy says...For shame, For shame...won't you everrrr LEARN, Mom)? Elaine hangs her head....but then out of the corner of her eye...a butterfly flits by arcing it's way to a midnight purple flower... Elaine perks up...alert to its fluttering, wafting, graceful air splash of color and off she is again...her usual self, bumbling about like the curious human she is...knowing she will never be perfect...but oh to give up working for angel wings to get flutterby, butterfly wings....oh sweet ecstasy!
Meet Rosanna Elaine Graves Baker '67, Kathy Agar (Mike's sister) from Nebraska.
From: JBolles174
Date: Fri, 16 Aug 1996 16:09:24 -0400
Subject: Re: Virtual Reunion?
janice pait bolles 1966
From: Mike Omelanuk
Date: Fri, 16 Aug 1996 23:00:49 -0400
Subject: Re: Lions Digest V1 #134
<< Good question. Actually, they do, but air conditioning is generally not a desired option as the ice walls of the igloos keep the temperature at a reasonable level ;-) >>
How about heated swimming pools? I hear a moose fence is a must.
In a message dated 96-08-15 04:02:27 EDT, Elaine Graves Baker wrote:
<< Hey...I got signed on 411!!!! I also got a Match on someone (if it is the same Linda Melton) I knew overseas!!! I am writing all of them a letter or emailing them or both. Elaine Graves Baker >>
Feels good, don't it!
Mike '64
From: Mike Omelanuk
Date: Sun, 18 Aug 1996 07:37:43 -0400
Subject: Thanks
<< looks like while y'all are partying on, i'll be flying the friendly skies of kazair heading back to almaty from a city now called Aktau >>
Joe, just wanted you to know from those of us who know something of the sacrifices made when you are that far from home - We appreciate you!
In a message dated 96-08-17 04:02:20 EDT, Elaine wrote:
<< Just a little eentsie bit confused...I thought you said you would be at your Dad's house and here was his email address...then Mike came and he used it >>
Well, Dad added to the confusion by using MOmelank (no u before the k) 'cuz I had been using Mike Omelanuk. I'd bet most folks would have mised that.
Mike '64
From: Al Sciarrino
Date: Sun, 18 Aug 1996 10:51:37 -0500 (EST)
Subject: Re: more on intellectuals and lawyers
Al '64
From: Al Sciarrino
Date: Sun, 18 Aug 1996 10:54:50 -0500 (EST)
Subject: Re: more on intellectuals and lawyers
Al '64
From: Glenda
Date: Sun, 18 Aug 1996 20:32:50 -0400
Subject: Re: Virtual Reunion?
Glenda
From: Bob Brown
Subject: Virtual Reunion?
I got a message from Joe Lahnstein '66 early in the week. I thought he'd sent it "to the list," but it looks like he sent it only to me.
Joe's in Kazakhstan, and probably won't make it to the reunion on Saturday. <grin> He wanted to know whether there's a way he could participate "virtually."
Joe's an AOL subscriber, and I'm not, but couldn't we do something with an AOL "chat room" if we had a portable PC at the reunion?
Leaving the technology aside, there's a time-shift problem. Where Joe is, it's already tomorrow. I used to think I understood the Inter- national Date Line, but I was mistaken. The only thing I understand about it is why the British put it as far away as possible!
--Bob '65
From: Elaine Graves Baker
Date: 19 Aug 1996 08:49:28 EDT
Subject: Re: Lions Digest V1 #134
LI>Mike '64
Problem...I am still not signed on...I thought I was but when I went to view my listing it didn't show....
Elaine '67
From: Steve.White
Date: Mon, 19 Aug 1996 08:13:42 CST
Subject: '66 Reunion
Steve
From: Elaine Graves Baker
Date: 19 Aug 1996 10:42:04 EDT
Subject: Re: more on intellectuals and lawyers
Yes...I have lived here for many years now. When I went to Columbus, I was engaged to a boy whom I had met here at Pine Forest High School. His name was Tommy Baker. Strangely, I went to "Baker" High school when my Dad was transferred to Ft Benning.
Fayetteville Senior High is now "Terry Sanford High School" named after one of the North Carolina governors. There is a St. Patrick's Catholic Church. I have a friend here who is now 60, who raised nine children by herself painting interiors...she painted the interior of St. Pat's several years ago (I think she said she did it for "Father Joe").
My father avoided living on post wherever he could. (He did not agree with some of the rules in government housing. He LIKED mowing his lawn or working in his garden in his tee shirt). We grew up within existing communities. Even in France, he insisted that we attend French school when we could. ("When in Rome...."). All were wonderful, after we adapted and made a few friends. But I think the end result, at least for me, is that sense of being on the "outside".
I do believe now, though, that the sense of not quite belonging in a place is somewhat related to the parents I had, also. Their backgrounds were such that we were encouraged to stay within the family circle and not to venture out a great deal. There was a distrust of the ways and whims of others.
From: Elmer H. Young Young
Date: Mon, 19 Aug 96 18:59:46 UT
Subject: RE: E-Mail
Or is I me, or we? I'm still a little confused since my last lobotomy??
Pete Young,"63( or was it 73?)<grin>.
From: Elaine Graves Baker
Date: 20 Aug 1996 09:16:20 EDT
Subject: RE: E-Mail
iin my mind's eye. And that is why I needed to know "who" you are. It was hard to picture you. I can "see" you (visualize you) in my mind's eye better if I have 1st and last initial, location, gender and approximate age. Then I can close my physical eyes and "see" you. I learned how to do this in a course I took several years ago. It is called SILVA Mind Control.
The lst time student learns how to do it. Graduates keep in practise by auditing courses over and over. I am learning to make my mind do what I program it to do (this is where the word "control" comes in). Jose Silva will be in Greensboro, NC (last I heard, on August 31 and September 1st). I am looking forward to meeting the genius behind the SILVA MIND DEVELOPMENT Series. The Basic Lecture Series wwill be given at the Four Seasons Holiday Inn from 9 to 6 each day. Jose Silva will instruct this class. Cost is $295 per person (if preregistered) for anyone who is interested. Graduates are welcome ,as usual, FREE, but must bring their card or certificate and also, make a reservation with the home office.
Elaine Graves Baker (R. Elaine Groves '67)
From: C. Rolf Milton
Date: Tue, 20 Aug 1996 20:22:20 -0800
Subject: Re: Lions Digest V1 #134
I hear a moose fence is a must.
Mike
A couple of houses with pools in this area, but most indoors. Fairbanks, however, has it's supply of outside pools and air conditioning. Temperatures in the high 80's are not that uncommon. As for moose fences, well, an 8 foot wall might work.
I had a moose take a dislike to my new chain link fence several years ago. It stomped on it until it was flat, walked to the other side of my yard and stomped that side, too. Critter did it three years in a row!!! Haven't seen it since. I assume he ended up in somebody's freezer ;-).
Just spent the weekend in Atlanta and did not get down to Columbus, SHOOT, maybe next time.
Rolf
From: C. Rolf Milton
Date: Tue, 20 Aug 1996 20:27:20 -0800
Subject: Re: more on intellectuals and lawyers
>
> Elaine...thanks for the comments about the novel...fiction, etc. No...I live
> in New York State (Now I'll really be cannon fodder for lawyer/Yankee
> jokes!...hi Rolf!).
Al,
the opportunities that you provide!
Well, got to go, I'm on my way to research yankee lawyer jokes; or, is it lawyer yankee jokes? (BG)
Rolf '67
From: C. Rolf Milton
Date: Tue, 20 Aug 1996 21:01:48 -0800
Subject: Re: Hardaway
How, and when, where those moves made?
Rolf '67
From: C. Rolf Milton
Date: Tue, 20 Aug 1996 21:17:51 -0800
Subject: Re: What ever happened to . . .
(Baker High School Class of '67)
Culpepper, Carol Ellen
Cumming, Guillermo "Junior"
Deaton, Ken (Oops, just dawned on me, this is my old neighbor that was
the freshman center!)
DiLorenzo, Diane Judity
Hamilton, Williamn (is this Ron Hamilton?)
Harmon, David W.
Hunnicutt, Wayne
James, Ken
Jordan, Liz (Augsburg American High School?)
Merced, Rafael
Minor, Shirley
Mitchell, Susan
Perez, Jose
Rodriguez, Carmen
Salazar, Roger
Samples, Bobby
Santaliz, Rafael
Santaliz, Raul
Schafer, Sandy
Strickland, Susan
Voss, Barbara (I believe she had a brother in that grade, don't remember
his name)
Wells, Aubrey
Whaley, Mike
Others not on the '67 roster: Yoshio Smith, Ray Owens, Beverly Kozlowski
Any help out there in cyberland?
Rolf '67
-
From: Roth Ron
Date: Wed, 21 Aug 1996 07:54:06 -0400
Subject: RE: Lions Digest V1 #139
From: C. Rolf Milton
Date: Tue, 20 Aug 1996 20:27:20 -0800
Subject: Re: more on intellectuals and lawyers
>
> Elaine...thanks for the comments about the novel...fiction, etc. No...I
live
> in New York State (Now I'll really be cannon fodder for lawyer/Yankee
> jokes!...hi Rolf!).
Al,
the opportunities that you provide!
Well, got to go, I'm on my way to research yankee lawyer jokes; or, is it lawyer yankee jokes? (BG)
Rolf '67
From: C. Rolf Milton
Date: Tue, 20 Aug 1996 21:01:48 -0800
Subject: Re: Hardaway
How, and when, where those moves made?
Rolf '67
From: C. Rolf Milton
Date: Tue, 20 Aug 1996 21:17:51 -0800
Subject: Re: What ever happened to . . .
(Baker High School Class of '67)
Culpepper, Carol Ellen
Cumming, Guillermo "Junior"
Deaton, Ken (Oops, just dawned on me, this is my old neighbor that was
the freshman center!)
DiLorenzo, Diane Judity
Hamilton, Williamn (is this Ron Hamilton?)
Harmon, David W.
Hunnicutt, Wayne
James, Ken
Jordan, Liz (Augsburg American High School?)
Merced, Rafael
Minor, Shirley
Mitchell, Susan
Perez, Jose
Rodriguez, Carmen
Salazar, Roger
Samples, Bobby
Santaliz, Rafael
Santaliz, Raul
Schafer, Sandy
Strickland, Susan
Voss, Barbara (I believe she had a brother in that grade, don't remember
his name)
Wells, Aubrey
Whaley, Mike
Others not on the '67 roster: Yoshio Smith, Ray Owens, Beverly Kozlowski
Any help out there in cyberland?
Rolf '67
From: Elaine Graves Baker
Date: 22 Aug 1996 10:53:12 EDT
Subject: more on intellectuals and lawyers
LI>self-importance.
LI>Logan Pearsall Smith.
LI>By the way, didn't Shakespeare have a solution for lawyers? Sounds good to LI>me.
LI>Randy Achey (70) What WAS Shakespeare's solution, Randy? You never did say? My memory bogs down when I try to think what he did say about lawyers?
From: Steve.White
Date: Thu, 22 Aug 1996 10:22:55 CST
Subject: RE: more on intellectuals and lawyers
Steven D. White
From: David M. Reed
Date: Thu, 22 Aug 1996 11:25:33 -0400
Subject: RE: more on intellectuals and lawyers
The first thing we do, let's kill all the lawyers. - Shakespeare, King Henry VI, Part II, IV.ii.115
From: Elaine Graves Baker
Sent: Thursday, August 22, 1996 10:53 AM
LI>By the way, didn't Shakespeare have a solution for lawyers? Sounds good to LI>me.
LI>Randy Achey (70)
What WAS Shakespeare's solution, Randy?
From: RAchey9688
Date: Fri, 23 Aug 1996 08:22:24 -0400
Subject: Shakespeare
Randy Achey (70)
From: Elaine Graves Baker
Date: 23 Aug 1996 15:20:40 EDT
Subject: Shakespeare
From: Mike Omelanuk
Date: Sat, 24 Aug 1996 08:22:27 -0400
Subject: Lawyers and Shakespeare
<< You never did say? My memory bogs down when I try to think what he did say about lawyers? >>
>From - King Henry VI, Part II, Act III, Scene 2, Line 73
"The first thing we do, let's kill all the lawyers."
You're welcome.
Mike '64
From: Al Sciarrino
Date: Sat, 24 Aug 1996 10:59:30 -0500 (EST)
Subject: Re: Lawyers and Shakespeare
Al '64 (Here goes Rolf again!!!!!)
From: C. Rolf Milton
Date: Sat, 24 Aug 1996 09:44:46 -0800
Subject: Re: Lawyers and Shakespeare
Rolf '67
From: Mike Omelanuk
Date: Sun, 25 Aug 1996 06:02:11 -0400
Subject: Re: Lions Digest V1 #143
Mike '64
From: Steve Crawford
Date: Sun, 25 Aug 1996 10:15:43 -0700
Subject: I Made It
Date: Sun, 25 Aug 1996 12:49:17 -0600 (MDT)
Subject: integration
In 1966, I moved to Augusta, Georgia, and attended my senior year at Richmond Academy. That was the year that Richmond integrated, so I have some basis for comparison. The terrified school board decided that a sensible response to the enrollment of a handful (probably 5-10) African-American students was to separate the school into all-boy and all-girl classes. I remember doors being slammed in their faces and students getting up to leave if any of them sat down at the cafeteria tables. There were taunts from the white students. I also remember my math professor standing up in the classroom and saying in a mock dialect, "I likes black 'n' I likes white, but I don' like hokey-pokey." Baker may have had its problems, but Richmond Academy sucked. I am still ashamed to say I graduated from that school. But as Al, says, experiences differ and there are probably people who thought it was great. Poor misguided souls. They don't even have a web site.
Kathy Agar
From: Freeman, George
Date: Mon, 26 Aug 96 12:22:00 EST
Subject: Integration
I recall that Robert Leonard ( one of the few African Americans graduating and also a band member) received the longest round of applause from the audience after receiving his diploma that day. It was a very stirring moment and made me proud to have been associated with the school. These guys were true pioneers.
George Freeman '66
From: Al Sciarrino
Date: Mon, 26 Aug 1996 13:05:57 -0500 (EST)
Subject: Re: Integration
From: Jeanne Sweeney
Date: Mon, 26 Aug 1996 14:07:23 -0400
Subject: Re: Integration
How true, George. Robert had such a great personality! Does anyone know where some of these pioneers are today? Would love to hear their perspective on the on-line archives -- especially those in the class of '65.
Jeannie '65
From: Katherine Agar
Date: Mon, 26 Aug 1996 12:32:15 -0600 (MDT)
Subject: integration
Kathy Agar
From: C. Rolf Milton
Date: Mon, 26 Aug 1996 13:26:11 -0800
Subject: Re: integration
>
> Integration of Baker High School did take place in 1965, with two male
> African-American students. This should be mentioned in school history.
Thanks for contributing your answer. I'm glad that you also have a positive memory of that very significant event.
Have a great day!
Rolf
From: C. Rolf Milton
Date: Mon, 26 Aug 1996 13:27:47 -0800
Subject: Re: Integration
> Robert Leonard ( one of the few African Americans graduating and also a
> band member) received the longest round of applause from the audience
Thanks for contributing your memory! We seem to be consistant in our recollections of that very significant year. Does anyone have contact with those two, very brave souls?
Rolf
From: C. Rolf Milton
Date: Mon, 26 Aug 1996 13:29:09 -0800
Subject: Re: Integration
>
> Reading George Freeman's account makes me even prouder to be a Baker Bum!!!!
> Al '64
Amen to that!
Rolf - --
From: Mike Omelanuk
Date: Tue, 27 Aug 1996 23:30:30 -0400
Subject: Robert Leonard
<< Thanks for contributing your memory! We seem to be consistant in our recollections of that very significant year. Does anyone have contact with those two, very brave souls? >>
According to the class of '65 directory (1992 edition) Robert J. Leonard II lives in Columbus. I hesitate to publish anyone's address without their permission, but I'm going to E-mail it to Bob and Sandye, so they can contact him it they think he'd like to know of this forum's thoughts and add to them.
Mike '64
From: Bob Brown
Date: Thu, 29 Aug 96 18:51:33 EDT
Subject: Snow in August!
What that means is that a lot of little tasks that are part of the day-to-day operation of @Baker have been let slide. I think I'm mostly caught up, though. Sorry for the little blips in responsive- ness that some of you may have noticed.
Although the data center here at the hospital will be open over Labor Day, there'll be a reduced workload, so whatever "stuff" isn't caught up by tomorrow I should be able to get to on the weekend.
--Bob '65
From: Bob Brown
Date: Thu, 29 Aug 96 23:18:44 EDT
Subject: Annoucement (fwd)
--Bob '65
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From: Roth Ron
Date: Thu, 29 Aug 1996 15:16:09 -0400
Subject: Annoucement
Ron Roth
From: C. Rolf Milton
Date: Fri, 30 Aug 1996 01:18:30 -0800
Subject: Re: Snow in August!
> Although the data center here at the hospital will be open over Labor
> Day, there'll be a reduced workload, so whatever "stuff" isn't caught
> up by tomorrow I should be able to get to on the weekend.
>
> --Bob '65
Bob, ENJOY, you deserve the rest!
Rolf
From: Ballengee, Anne
Date: Fri, 30 Aug 96 08:04:00 PDT
Subject: FW: Snow in August!
Thanks again for all your work and why don't you rest on Labor Day week-end.
Anne Achey Ballengee `66
From: Steve.White
Date: Fri, 30 Aug 1996 09:03:03 CST
Subject: Memories fade....
Sorry I missed the reunion, but school had already started here for my kids and I started on the 19th....
forever a Lion,
Steve White '66
From: Marie M. Powell
Date: Fri, 30 Aug 1996 10:49:04 -0400
Subject: Re: I Made It
- -M, '80
From: Elaine Graves Baker
Date: 30 Aug 1996 14:48:52 EDT
Subject: FW: Snow in August!
Elaine Graves Baker 67
From: Don Stauffer
Date: Sat, 31 Aug 1996 00:12:36 -0400
Subject: Re: Snow in August!
Since I do not know how to use the mail list. Could you please unsubscribe me from this address and add me from stauffer.ommitted?
That is my work address. I plan on dropping Mindspring fairly soon in favor of a UNIX shell account somewhere.
Or at least send me instructions on how I can do this.
It would be greatly appreciated.
- -Don
From: Bill Sharts
Date: Sat, 31 Aug 1996 02:03:16 -0400
Subject: Re: Annoucement (fwd)
Bill Sharts, Class of '66
From: Bob Brown
Date: Sat, 31 Aug 96 02:36:10 EDT
Subject: How To Handle Senior Pictures?
When we did the first senior pictures, we made the names in the class indices "clickable" when there was a picture available, even if there was no other information.
Is that the right thing to do? If not, how do we indicate that a picture is available?
Suggestions on how to do this right will be most welcome. Thanks!
--Bob '65
MRO