From: INFOTEAM
Date: Fri, 31 May 1996 15:36:02 -0400
Subject: I made it
From: Jim joiner
Date: Fri, 31 May 1996 17:52:00 +0100
Subject: I want OFF this mailing list
From: Bob Brown
Date: Sat, 1 Jun 96 14:25:23 EDT
Subject: Re: I made it
Thanks for coining the phrase "Lion Cub," it's neat! (May we steal it to describe people who attended elementary or junior high classes at Baker?) I think we actually have several Lion Cubs around.
I've looked at the pictures... Baker only had two stories, but remember that it was built in the days before air conditioning, and had high ceilings, so the second floor was pretty high up. Someone mentioned that the high school students and the lower grades were in different wings, and if it's like I think, yes, you were as far away from the cafeteria as it was possible to get.
We're glad you're here! --Bob '65
From: Marie M. Powell
Date: Sat, 01 Jun 1996 22:11:26 EDT
Subject: BHS building [was: I made it]
Marie '80
From: CHARLIE COLEMAN
Date: Sun, 02 Jun 1996 13:44:40 -0400
Subject: Re: BHS building [was: I made it]
NOTE! The basement area below ROTC offices was used for the rifle range and a classroom as I remember it.
CHARLIE COLEMAN "66"
From: Bob Brown
Date: Sun, 2 Jun 96 18:42:15 EDT
Subject: Address and Telephone Listings
If you look at the "Bob Brown - Class of '65" page on the Baker server you'll find a little "Phone Book" icon just under the e-mail icon.
It doesn't do anything yet, or at least not very much, but you can play with it to see the scheme I'm working on to allow Lions to get each others' addresses without making them public.
The idea is that you provide your e-mail address and the lookup program checks to see whether that address belongs to a "signed in" Lion. If so, it fetches the sign-in form for the person whose web page one went through, checks to see whether it's OK to release the address and phone number, and e-mails them off.
By sending the address and phone information via e-mail rather than displaying it on the Web, we protect the privacy of people who've signed in. Bogus e-mail addresses don't work (they're not in the sign-in database) and real Lions' e-mail addresses do work.
You've also noticed that it's easy to get one address, but pretty hard to get a bunch of them. If someone were to slip a bogus sign-in by us, they'd have to really work at it to collect a significant number of addresses and phone numbers. By the time they got very many, the Access Watch program would have reported the extra activity. We also have a known-good e-mail address for the bogus Lion, for whatever that's worth.
What does anyone think of this stuff?
--Bob '65
From: Jeanne Sweeney
Date: Sun, 02 Jun 1996 20:14:16 -0400
Subject: Re: BHS building [was: I made it]
Jeannie Sweeney
From: HRGUY1120
Date: Sun, 2 Jun 1996 22:20:14 -0400
Subject: Re: Address and Telephone Listings
Steve Whitelaw '66
From: Jack E. Tyler
Date: Sun, 02 Jun 1996 22:37:51 -0400
Subject: Re: BHS building
From: Henry Pratt
Date: Mon, 3 Jun 1996 05:54:05 -0700
Subject: Re: BHS building [was: I made it]
You wrote:
>
>Keith, you can answer the rifle range question.... Can't you? Sorry
that I
>missed you in Columbus. Let us know when you are there again.
Jeannie
From: WILSON C GRIER
Date: Mon, 3 Jun 1996 12:02:39 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: Re: Lions and Atlanta
Had the opportunity to present a paper "The New Real Estate Professional and the Internet: Beginning the Journey" at the National Real Estate Educators Conference in Atlanta this past week. While there, got to see Dudley Wells (65), Joyce Harper (66), Debbie Alderman (66), Jeanne Sweeney (65) and Aubrey Wells (67). We thought it was a mini-reunion. Dudleys oldest son was married in Atlanta on Saturday. My wife attended the wedding (I had to present at that time) and she spoke with Edgar Burroughs (65) and his wife. I put the pressure on Dudley to get online this year with this mailing list. Hope he joins us. Hope your summer is better than ours so far. It has been to cool in Kentucky to open our pool. Maybe next week. Regards...
Wilson (65)
From: Bob Brown
Date: Mon, 3 Jun 96 12:44:53 EDT
Subject: Re: Checking the Class of '65
From: Deborah Valentine
Date: Mon, 3 Jun 1996 12:57:10 -0400
Subject: When Kennedy was shot?
BTW, Tom Nicholson's ('65) daughter is getting married Oct. 12th. Tom and Ginger are in Phoenix, but Julie (their daughter and our goddaughter) lives in Augusta. Their son, Tommy Jr., is graduating from high school and will attend Arizona State this fall. Tom retired from the Army Signal Corps last year as a full Colonel and now works for Motorola.
On the Baker High School building: I remember that before the "new" construction, people could climb out the window in one wing and walk across the roof and into the window of the second floor of the other wing. It was verboten, but I seem to remember several of you brave souls doing it. At that time, there was no direct way to get from the second floor of one building to the second floor of the other building unless you went down stairs, walked over and upstairs --a real pain if you wanted to socialize and still make your class on time.
A question I've been meaning to ask the list: Where were you when Kennedy was shot? I was in 5th period English. I'll never forget the mood on campus that day. So weird! Some kids were crying, and some didn't have a clue as to what it all meant (count me in the second group.) Was anyone in Col. Mitchell's geometry class? It was reported that he made some crass remark such as, "Hope they get Bobby next!" Hard to believe we Southern Baptists thought the Catholic Church would take over American if Kennedy were elected.
From: WILSON C GRIER
Date: Mon, 3 Jun 1996 13:36:09 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: Class of 65; Request for help
I will do the review for '65 for A-F...should be 25% of the
list. Maybe others can help with 25% reviews. Alright Jeanne Sweeney,
Bob needs us...Can you help?
Regards...Wilson
From: Katherine Agar
Date: Mon, 03 Jun 1996 11:43:22 -0600 (MDT)
Subject: KENNEDY
I was outside in P.E. class when we began to hear rumours, then to went Mr. Stewart's anatomy class, where confirmation of the president's death was announced on someone's transister radio. Everyone was pretty subdued, as I recall.
As for Col. Mitchell, who knows what came out of his mouth. Debbie, do you remember his talking about going to the "Hootchie Kootchie" show at the county fair? One of the guys asked Mitchell if he took his wife to the show, and the col. replied, "Son, never take a sandwich to a banquet." I actually used that line in one of my papers once. Mr. Sensitivity. How did we all avoid getting ulcers that year?
Debbie, hope to see you in Georgia. I'll be hitting Athens about Friday, I think. it would be fun to see everybody else too. Maybe we can reunion all summer long.
Kathy Agar
From: jsweeney
Date: Mon, 3 Jun 1996 14:34:08 -0400
Subject: Re: Class of 65; Request for help
I will do share, as well. Count me in for another 25% of the '65 class. You are going to give us instructions again, aren't you? Being a typical student, I don't listen unless "I need to know" <smile>.
Debbie -- regarding when Kennedy was shot... I was in chemistry. Bob Emerson (deceased now) was sitting to my left. Think that Miss Baxter (also deceased) taught that class, but I can't remember. We talked about this same subject at our class reunion last year. It certainly was an unbelievable moment in our time.
Debbie, I am hoping that with more flex time this summer, we can get together for lunch. Kathy, you will be in Athens this weekend? Maybe we can do something this weekend. I have graduation Saturday morning, but am free after that. Am planning to go to North Georgia to the mountains on vacation next week with some friends.
Jeannie
From: rfred
Date: Mon, 3 Jun 96 15:01:32 PDT
Subject: When Kennedy was shot?
From: Al Sciarrino
Date: Mon, 03 Jun 1996 15:32:03 -0500 (EST)
Subject: RE: When Kennedy was shot?
Al '64
From: Al Sciarrino
Date: Mon, 03 Jun 1996 15:36:12 -0500 (EST)
Subject: Re: Class of 65; Request for help
Al '64
From: Katherine Agar
Date: Mon, 03 Jun 1996 14:46:05 -0600 (MDT)
Subject: Let me off
How do I get off the list? I need to get off for the summer before I leave town.
Kathy
From: Jeanne Sweeney
Date: Mon, 03 Jun 1996 17:15:12 -0400
Subject: Re: Class of 65; Request for help
Jeannie '65
From: Henry Pratt
Date: Mon, 3 Jun 1996 14:28:01 -0700
Subject: RE: When Kennedy was shot?
Keith
From: SSG, HALM, MAAU, 5697
Date: Mon, 3 Jun 96 20:42:29 EDT
Subject: basement
I was on the rifle team from 1972 - 1975, the basement was still being used as a range at that time. (It was still being used in '77 when my brother graduated.) That space was also used for ROTC drill practice during inclement weather and sometimes as an ROTC classroom.
Hal Massie '76
From: Johnny Joiner
Date: Mon, 03 Jun 1996 23:10:48 -0400
Subject: RE: When Kennedy was shot?
Having left Baker in April of 1963, I was in Hawaii when President ennedy was killed. It was a strange experience, as was many things that happened in 1963.
My family was living on base at Schofield Barracks and like Al said, being an Army family made it all the more tragic. We were four hours behind Dallas, and ' Satelite Transmissions ' didn't exist at that time ( at least, not in Hawaii). Hawaiian TV stations were network affiliates, but still had to have the national news programs flown in from California, so everything other than radio ran a day behind the mainland. It was probably alot like the rest of the nation's reaction to Pearl Harbor being bombed, since radio was our only up to date news source.
One of the most awsome and humbling experiences of my life, was to visit the ' Battleship Arizona ' memorial when I arrived in Hawaii. Oil was ( and I understand is still ) oozing to the water's surface, and you could stand directly over and see down onto the ship itself.
I mention the Arizona because just a few months before Kennedy died, He and Jackie visited the memorial and placed a beautiful arrangement of flowers at the base of the monument which listed the names of everyone who had died there. In his remarks, President Kennedy said that December 7, 1941 was the day that, probably, every American best remembers exactly where they were, who they were with, and what they were doing when they heard the news of that tragedy. Little could he have known, that in just a few months, he himself would become part of history, to share that same distinction. My family and I revisited the Arizona shortly after President and Mrs. Kennedy were there. We took several pictures of the ship, the monument, and of course the flowers that the Kennedys had placed there.
Much has been said about how things might have been today, had Kennedy lived, in particular, Viet Nam. I regard November 22, 1963 ( 2 days before my 17th birthday by the way ) as the day that ' America lost it's innocence ' and was forced to grow up fast and hard, especially us ' Baby Boomers '.
We are the Boomers, and we've done alot. We've seen alot, fought alot, tried alot, cried alot. And we've changed things alot, some for the bad, but an awful lot for the good. Some of us even died along the way, and all us have died a little with them.
Johnny ' 65
From: david phillips
Date: Mon, 3 Jun 1996 23:36:49 -0400
Subject: Re: basement
David Phillips
From: Johnny Joiner
Date: Mon, 03 Jun 1996 23:39:02 -0400
Subject: It ain't me & stuff
A few days ago, I noticed a message from a 'jimjoiner' , wanting to get off this mailing list. It came as a surprise to me, cause I'd never seen his name on anything before. I even thought I might be related to him.
He and I have sent a couple of E-mails back and forth, and apparently we're not ( related ). He is originally from Milledgeville, and I from Wrightsville. That's pretty close and I do have relatives in Milledgeville, but he doesn't seem to be anyone I know.
At any rate, I just wanted ya'll to know that I'm still here and intend to be until Bob runs me off. I assume that Bob has already taken care of this other guy.
By the way Bob, I really think your 'personal info' security is a great idea and will be a welcomed addition. I'm still willing to help in any way I can. Just let me know with what. Not having any yearbooks or the like, I'm pretty limited, but my intentions are good. ( I know, the road to hell is paved with good intentions < smile > ). Maybe I could make a monetary contribution, I know this has to cost something.
Johnny ' 65
From: Johnny Joiner
Date: Mon, 03 Jun 1996 23:52:36 -0400
Subject: RE: I made it
Joy,
Welcome to the ' Lions den '. I hope you will enjoy yourself, there's some pretty good folks here.
It's funny you should mention Baker having three stories, I too thought I remembered it that way until I looked at some pictures a couple of months ago. In 1991, my brother's company had the contract to remodel the building, and believe it or not, he still has some of the old windows and things that they removed. He used some of the ( bigggg windows ) to build himself a 'Florida Room'.
And you're right, it took about six hours to get from the Cub's wing ( nearest to Baker Village ) to the lunch room. I spent some time in that wing myself. Stay tuned.
Johnny ' 65
From: SSG, HALM, MAAU, 5697
Date: Tue, 4 Jun 96 1:21:46 EDT
Subject: basement
Your name sounds vaguely familiar, but I'll have to look at a yearbook to refresh my memory. Yes, Jimmy Chrissman and I grew up just a block from each other. He was quite a character back then. His hair was completely grey when we graduated, I wonder what it looks like now?! Please say hello to him when you come across him again.
I always thought I would 'go Army', but I ended up Air Force instead. First on active duty, then as a guardsman, and now as an Air Force civilian (and reservist). On the military side, I'll have 19 years in October. It takes a little longer to retire on the civilian side, by then I will have 36 years time in service military-wise!
I guess quite a few of the old ROTC folks from our period are nearing retirement. At the 10-year reunion, I sat at a table with 6 classmates that were all military pilots, mostly army helicopters. I do remember that Tom Norman was there, he flew C-141's for the Air Force. Hard to believe!
Thanks for the message. I haven't seen too much from '76 people, or any of the mid-70's for that matter. Nice to know that some of us are out there! Take care.
Hal Massie
From: Deborah Valentine
Date: Tue, 4 Jun 1996 08:30:34 -0400
Subject: Re: RE: When Kennedy was shot?
- --Debbie Alderman Valentine '66
From: Bob Brown
Date: Tue, 4 Jun 96 01:20:09 EDT
Subject: Re: It ain't me & stuff
I've actually been taking the subscriptions pretty much on faith; maybe we have to look a bit closer. Sigh.
Concerning monetary contributions, I've promised several people that we'll never ask for money. There're instructions for making a contri- bution within the Baker web pages, but you'll have to *look* for them. <another grin>
Actually, with regard to expenses, we're doing pretty well. The next bill to come due will be a $100 (I think) fee from the InterNIC in July. In the past, when we've needed money, one or another of the original founders has taken a deep breath and written a check. That's worked pretty well.
--Bob '65
From: WILSON C GRIER
Date: Tue, 4 Jun 1996 08:57:17 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: Re: Kennedy Assassination
I was in Ms. Baxter's Chemistry class sitting with Dudley Wells
who was drawing pictures of auto's to entertain us. Patty Crowe came to
the door crying and said that the President had been shot. Dudley and I
were talking about missiles coming in the window next (we were not
believers). A few minutes later Mr. Boyles came over the speaker system
to confirm what Patty Crowe had said....I'll always remember that day.
Wilson C. Grier
From: JGSJR
Date: Tue, 4 Jun 1996 18:06:23 -0400
Subject: Re: Kennedy Assassination
On Nov. 22 I was in ROTC class which was being held in a field just off campus near the Baker Village Apts. We found out by the news bulletins that you could hear from people's televisions. I remember that when it was announced that JFK had died there was mixed emotions because of all the racial strife in Ala. Some people were actually cheering about it.
Now fast forward to when Wallace was shot - I was in Boston and again when the word got around there were mixed emotions. A woman that worked for me was only interested in one thing - did he die. Geography played a big part of your view of history. We can only hope that we have learned to do a better job of undersatnding one another and working together - but based on what I see on the news evry day I wonder.
Thank you for keeping a military brat up to date on what happened to y'all - by the way - Oscar B. only got me once with the paddle but I remember it to this day.
John Small
From: Bob Brown
I think the address-retrieval stuff works, but so far only my own name
has the phonebook icon. The idea is for us to test it for flaws
before exposing other peoples' phone numbers to the World Wide Web.
Eventually (small matter of programming!) there'll be an e-mail index
of everyone who's gone through the sign-in process, but for right now
I'm using the Lions-L and Lions-Digest subscription lists so we can
test this stuff a bit.
To test address retrieval, go to the Baker page and follow People -->
Class of '65 --> Brown, Robert L. Click the phone-book icon and type
your e-mail address in the block. You should get a "Data Sent"
screen, and a bit later get address info for Yours Truly in your
e-mail.
After that, please try several bogus e-mail addresses, or maybe real
addresses of non-Lions. These should all get "Not Authorized."
Report errors and I'll try to fix 'em!
Thanks!
--Bob '65
From: Sandye Smith
Sandye '64
From: C. Rolf Milton
Actually, I remember that quite vividly (though I'm not sure why?): We
(don't remember any names) were smoking at the back of the gas station that
was along Victory Drive. The reactions were kind of in line with that
attributes to Col. Gregory.
In general, I remember wondering when it would all be over and normal TV
programming
would resume. Don't get me wrong, I'm not saying that this was an
appropriate respone. That's just the way that I remember it.
Rolf
From: Bob Brown
Not done, currently volunteered:
67 Danny Watkins
We still need: 57, 58, 91.
That's only ten classes out of 47. We ought to be able to finish this
phase of the project this summer. Is there anyone out there who can
help with '57, '58, or 91?
--Bob
From: Steve.White
Thanks,
Steven D. White
From: Bob Brown Bob '65
From: JEBfield
Like all of us I walked arround in a state of shock the rest of the day and
was glued to the TV set all weekend. Even though its been more that 33 years
I can still close my eyes and see the events of that weekend in my minds
eye.
Joe Butterfield (64)
From: Sandye Smith
If you can get the info (I have tried unsuccessfully) I can type in the
names of the remaining classes.
Sandye
From: Sandye Smith
I am glad you have finally joined us. Please stay with us.
One thing John failed to mention is he is from the Baker 64 class.
Sandye '64
From: Bob Brown
Not done, currently volunteered:
67 Danny Watkins
We still need: 57, 58, 91.
That's only ten classes out of 47. We ought to be able to finish this
phase of the project this summer. Is there anyone out there who can
help with '57, '58, or 91?
--Bob
From: MOmelanuk
From: Steve.White
Steven D. White
From: Bob Brown
Mike Cofer, class of 61, passed away this a.m. from a massive stroke.
Funeral services will be held at Presbyterian Church in Marietta,
Georgia at 4:00 p.m., June 15, 1996.
Interment will be at Parkhill Cemetery in Columbus, Georgia. There
will be no graveside service.
Ann Logan
class of 63
From: Sandye Smith
I am so sorry to hear about Mike. His family lived down the street and her
and Phil were really great guys.
Sandye '64
From: Johnny Joiner
Johnny ' 65
From: Sandye Smith
John Patrick Gallagher, Jr., Class of 1968, dies 10 June l996 in Daleville,
Ala from injuries sustained in a motorcycle accident.
Sandye '64
From: Bob Brown
Here's what's left...
57 ???
I know I keep exhorting, and you're probably all getting tired of it,
but we've gone from *one* class ('65) in December to 42 of the 47
Baker graduating classes in June. With just a tiny bit of luck we can
finish this phase of the project before the end of June.
--Bob
PS: If you sent a sign-in for one of the years we've just recently
put up, and your information isn't hooked in yet, please give me
through the end of the weekend. The rest of this week is a complete
disaster and I won't get to do any serious Baker work until Sunday.
If your sign-in info hasn't shown up by Monday morning, probably I've
mis-filed it and need a reminder to look for it.
From: Bakere
From: Bakere Elaine Graves Baker
From: Bakere I am sorry to
here about Mike. I don't think I knew him. But if I were close, I
would go to the funeral. My annual only shows people from 67 Senior
Class and below. At present, I have no viewer on this 'puter....later.
I will maybe be able to see some of you that I am talking with today. I
saw this page by accident. I was at another office showing some people
the net. I was to give them some help with Netscape. I typed in my
name. (My ex was a Baker). I got my old high school. Talk about gifts
from the gods. Speaking of which...was there a teacher named
Liebendorfer at Baker .... when you were there?
From: Elmer H. Young Young
Pete Young, '63
From: Bob Brown
Paul A. Jennings 1972
SUZ
From: David M. Reed
David M. Reed, -'83
From: Sandye Smith
Sandye '64
From: Sandye Smith
I remember Ron Slocumb and Jan Tilton very well. There were great people
and Ron was just too cute!!
Sandye '64
From: INFOTEAM
Say, was Newt an Army brat or a civilian? Also, is Benning Park and Baker
Village still standing? How about the bbq place near the drive-in theatre,
where those teenager died that one night -- that newspaper article was
actually reprinted in my California high school's driver's ed textbook and no
one believed me when I told them I actually knew about the event? Goat Rock
Dam still holding back the river? King Pond still used by the teens?
So many memory questions. Got to get back to Columbus for a visit. In fact,
I'm planning a trip to Savannah in 2001 for my daughter's Girl Scout trip and
I'm taking my family to Columbus to revisit -- left in 1962.
Is 5-points still there, up the hill from the Columbus library and are the
beautiful mansions still on those points? I have so many fond memories of
Columbus and Ft. Benning. Our family cherishes those years 1956-62 as the
best years of our lives! But dad retired to California and now I have a
friend, who is moving to Columbus because she has a relative living there and
she never told me!
Joy White '69 Lion Cub
From: Bakere
From: Bakere
From: Henry Pratt
Keith Pratt
From: Bakere
I am Elaine Graves Baker (67 Lion Cub).
I work at Ft Bragg, NC. If your friend is Civil Service, she
needs to go to her Civilian Personnel Office and see about jobs at
Benning. Also she will have to get instructions from them to help her
effect a transfer. If she is not presently Civil Service she needs to
contact Ft Benning's Civilian Personnel Office to see what jobs are open
to the general public. Good luck to your friend. The government is
(has been for years) cutting back on civilian hiring. John Q. Public
sees the figures saved as defense spending cutbacks. We in the service
our promotion ladder fading away, our benefits cut and the doubling of
tasks so cumulative that no person can possibly do it all. They do not
cut weapons spending but the lower grade workers doing the countless
jobs to support defense.
The same things are happening in the post office...notice the
changes in postal workers attitudes. It takes a lot out of you to know
that years in service toward retirement can be thrown away by the stroke
of a pen, by men and women in Congress who can vote themselves raises of
sixty percent. On the 1st of April, I was attacked by a co-worker. She
lost it (in front of everyone) at a staff meeting. They disciplined her
but had to keep her on. Bodies are needed to do the work. She is very
proficient at her job.
Your friend would probably be paid better by private industry and
job security would be no different. I have been on board for 23 years.
I have had my job cut out from under me on no less than 3 occasions.
They call it reduction-in-force. I have been a GS6 since 1990. I work
with computer support. I have few, if any, chances for advancement over
the next few years.
From: Al Sciarrino
From: Rod Weiss, Sr.
Rod and I are off on vacation the week of the 24th of June. If you would
like
to meet and borrow my copy of the 56 year book most any day except Wednesday
would be fine, as we are staying local. Our daughter-in-law is expecting any
day now.
Let me know when and where.
Jessie Weiss
From: Bakere
This was not my question. Sometimes it is a little hard to follow the
threads on the computer forums.....check back one message...that is
probably the person who asked.
Elaine Graves Baker (Groves, R. Elaine '67-- they made a mistake I
guess I will have to live with the rest of my computer life).
From: RAchey
From: Bob Brown
From: Al Sciarrino
From: Johnny Joiner
I listened to an interview with Phil Gramm on C-Span a few months ago, and
thought I understood him to say that he had attended Baker, but Sandye says
no.
Maybe she can shed some light, cause she says that his mother still lives
in Columbus and is a patient of her's.
Johnny Joiner ' 65
From: Bob Brown
Well harrumph! Shows how much *he* knows!
--Bob
From: Sandye Smith
I will check with Mrs. Gramm and let you know.
Sandye '64
From: Glenda E. Hall
Baker Village is still standing as well as Baker but it is no longer a
HS. I'm not sure if it is even a school now. Need to check.
The BBQ place to which you refer is closed and there are no more drive in
theaters.
Five points is still here and the Bradley Library is standing. If you
visit Columbus, be prepared for a surprise. Everything has changed.
South Columbus is mostly bars and nudie clubs, fast food restaurants and a
few cheap motels. The crime rate there is high.
Anyway, was good talking to you and wish you and your friend lots of luck.
Glenda Hall '66 grad
From: Bakere Elaine
From: Bakere
This is Elaine Graves (Groves, R. Elaine 67), Baker. I think you sent
this to me by mistake. Joy White @ aol is the one who
needed the information. I responded to her query also. I told her that
I work at Ft Bragg, NC and things here are very tough. I have been in
jobs that were abolished 3 different times. I was attacked by a
co-worker April 2. She just lost it. (In a staff call
meeting...everyone was witness, including the boss). I filled out a
CA1. I know the system is crazy. I told her that attitudes in Civil
Service are much like those in the postal service. When John Q. Public
is told weapons spending is being cut; it is really only our jobs. We
have watched while our benefits have dwindled away, our carreer ladder
disintegrated, and await abolishment of jobs because of
"re-engineering". I have worked my way up to a GS6 since coming on
board 23 years ago. The way things look, I may never get another
promotion and may not even be allowed to work out to full retirement at
age 55. It is disheartening. I advised her to go private sector. The
pay is often better.
From: Marie M. Powell
> Hi...
Just for the record, Elaine, all of us on the Lions
list got the mail that you sent to Joy and the mail
that Glenda sent. I don't know what mail software
you're using, but it seems that you're having
some difficulty telling if an individual sent
mail directly to you or the list you're subscribed to.
You can probably get some info from the documentation.
If you can't find what you need, then let me know
what software you use, and I'll try to help.
You can mail me directly, so that we don't
bore everyone else on the list with non-Baker talk.
A _friendly_ reminder for everyone on "email etiquette"...
If you're replying to a message, it's not
imperative that you include the entire message,
especially if it's a rather large message.
I'm sure we all agree that it can be quite cumbersome
to sort through a lengthy mail which includes one or more
long messages (which we've already read),
just to find a 2-liner appended...
or to sort through large amounts of text
with no line spacing. (Eyes like line spacing!) :)
If you want to reference a previous message,
it's sufficient to include the first couple lines
or whichever lines are relevant.
Sometimes an appropriate Subject line is all that's necessary.
Reducing repetition will also reduce space needed to
archive the list. This will make our archivist happy, I'm sure! :)
I mention this because some of us receive alot of email...
(I average 60-80 messages a day.)
It can become difficult and time-consuming to parse through
mails like those I described above, and I know that others
(who are possibly less experienced with email) may not realize how
annoying it can be.
I hope noone takes offense to this, as none was meant.
:)
cheers,
Marie Powell '80
From: Bakere
Though for myself, I kind of LIKE message quoting. I guess it is just
a matter of personal preference. I don't have to retype even the lstfew
lines and I find I don't have to reread everything after reading the
lst few lines. It also helps me to keep my train of thought on track.
We, at the Information Systems Support Command under the 1112th
Signal at Ft Bragg answer questions on a multitude of cpu and peripheral
brands and also support a number of different software apps. Email is
prolific. Also, it is considered bad protocol to answer (incorrectly)
a Colonel's question with an answer meant for the NCO. (In times of
extreme, it could mean bombing the wrong target). But we are trying
hard at Ft Bragg to be "user friendly". It is imperative that we
continue to progress in our automation readiness. Message Quoting is
set up to default in the Galaticom software that I am using. I choose
at the moment of reply "not" to use message quoting. I will remember
to help you all by doing just that. If I forget, you have my permission
to cancel the whole thing out. Just delete it. If I realize something
has gone awry I will redo the email.
I must apologize, for I did not realize this was strictly "open forum".
From: Bakere
Though for myself, I kind of LIKE message quoting. I guess it is just
a matter of personal preference. I don't have to retype even the lstfew
lines and I find I don't have to reread everything after reading the
lst few lines. It also helps me to keep my train of thought on track.
We, at the Information Systems Support Command under the 1112th
Signal at Ft Bragg answer questions on a multitude of cpu and peripheral
brands and also support a number of different software apps. Email is
prolific. Also, it is considered bad protocol to answer (incorrectly)
a Colonel's question with an answer meant for the NCO. (In times of
extreme, it could mean bombing the wrong target). But we are trying
hard at Ft Bragg to be "user friendly". It is imperative that we
continue to progress in our automation readiness. Message Quoting is
set up to default in the Galaticom software that I am using. I choose
at the moment of reply "not" to use message quoting. I will remember
to help you all by doing just that. If I forget, you have my permission
to cancel the whole thing out. Just delete it. If I realize something
has gone awry I will redo the email.
I must apologize, for I did not realize this was strictly "open forum".
college ended my money spending (year-end). I am supposed to edit
class of '65 from G to?? Is there still a need to spend a day in Columbus
or do we have it covered?
My new webserver is working (for 3 days) for our college Internet course
this fall. We have some terrific web tools to learn how to use. As soon
as we get a bit braver, I will ask you all to check it out to "stress" the
connection and see what kind of problems arise. Anyone out there using chat
software?
Bye for now.
From: Sandye Smith
Sandye '64
From: Bob Brown
We can probably be a bit less formal here than you have to be in
military communications. One trick I've used when I want to quote
more than a few words is to allow the mailer to quote the whole
message, then just delete everything I don't mean to send.
There are a couple of good, practical reasons not to quote entire
messages in a forum like this one: Many of our readers receive the
"digested" version of the mailing list, and they'll see the original
message and your reply in one e-mail "container," so it'll all be
fresh in their minds anyway. Also, Mike Omelanuk has the task of
maintaining the Web archive of the mailing list, and one of the things
he has to do is chop out a lot of quoting each month.
I gleaned four useful rules out of reading this discussion:
As Jeannie said in an earlier message, please do continue to
communicate with us; this mailing list is a bright spot in a lot of
people's days!
--Bob '65
From: Bob Brown
Hey, there, Jeannie! Too bad about the money-spending... it sure is
fun, especially when its other peoples' money! Anyway, G-N, I think,
just looking for mistakes made by Yours Truly. We still need two more
Class of '65 volunteers to do the last two quarters of the list.
Yes, we will need to spend some time in Columbus, but I think we're
stuck with waiting until September when the school's open again. They
have one of the annuals we still need names from, and we need to
attack the faculty list again now that we're closing in on finished
with the students.
Annnnnnd... we *are* closing in. Michele Forinash '74 sent in the
Class of '73 a few minutes ago. Class of '82 is typed and Phil Miller
'82 is proofreading it. I think that means we're down to '57, '58,
and '91!
From: Michael Forlines
Columbus has lots of data processing jobs with Total Systems (credit card
processor) and AFLAC (you see their commercials on the national baseball
broadcasts). Also I work at Blue Cross and Blue Shield of Georgia which the
operations center is in Columbus and we're a big data processing shop.
Mike Forlines 1977
From: Bakere Elaine GB. 67
From: Bakere I will help in any way I
can with your stress test. Our BBS has a Teleconference which includes
"chat", is that what you mean? It is by Galacticom (World Group).
Elaine Baker (R. Elaine Groves '67)
From: Bakere
LI> As Jeannie said in an earlier message, please do continue to
I plan to continue....I love this kind of thing... It is fun!
From: Marie M. Powell
> I must apologize, for I did not realize this was strictly "open forum".
I think Bob will agree that this list isn't "strictly" anything...
We are all free to send mails to individuals or to the list,
whichever satisfies our intentions. Like Bob said,
we just need to be aware of what the "To:" line reads when we
send it. All of us have been guilty (at least once) of assuming
that these machines can read our minds and will send something to who
we want it to go to instead of who it's actually addressed to...
It can be embarrassing to find out that the computer didn't
actually read your mind... :-}
+- On Tuesday (6/25/1996 17:48) lions-l@Baker.HS.org (Bob) wrote-
> Elaine, you didn't make a bad first impression at all...
Not at all! Elaine, I hadn't intended to single you out.
I would have sent it directly to you if I wanted to send
something for your eyes only. I felt that it
wouldn't hurt for all the list subscribers to hear what
I had to say. Since my job's mailing list is archived,
I know that it can waste alot of disk space.
I also know what it's like to try to figure out what issue of a
topic an unquoted reply is about... so I try to make a happy
medium by quoting just the relevant text. I've learned alot
just from watching how others format mail which is pleasing to
my eyes.
I also happen to have an anally-retentive boss
especially when it comes to subject lines in email.
I defer all blame to him ;)
[I theorize most computer geeks are probably A-R...
those who aren't, probably aren't good at their jobs ;) ]
> Mike Omelanuk has the task of
Mike, I'm glad it's you and not me! ;)
I, too, love this list!
Cheers to all,
Marie Powell '80
From: Bakere
"most computer geeks are a-r (anally retentive)..."
Does this mean constipated types of persons or..................
From: Marie M. Powell
Today, science describes A-R types as meticulous,
as well as parsimonious (frugal to the point of being stingy).
People usually consider A-R types to be obsessive about
about organization, completeness, and correctness
and hold fairly rigidly to these ideas.
Cheers,
Marie Powell '80
From: Bakere
R. Elaine Groves 67 .... Graves really
From: Marie M. Powell
> And now ..... Marie..... what is a bagel detonator?
Uh, that's 'donator', not 'detonator'...
I've been known to bring in several bags of
bagels at a time for the consultants I work with to munch on...
Marie '80, who probably just gave you way more information
than you wanted and who doesn't blow up bagels... honest, I don't. :)
Marie Powell
From: Bakere
MRO
Date: Tue, 4 Jun 96 18:14:12 EDT
Subject: Try This!
Date: Tue, 4 Jun 1996 18:23:12 -0400
Subject: [none]
Date: Wed, 05 Jun 1996 00:12:25 -0800
Subject: Re: When Kennedy was shot?
Date: Wed, 5 Jun 96 20:32:03 EDT
Subject: Class Rolls - Update
69 Glenn Wells
70 George Bridges / Glenn Wells
73 Michelle Forinash
81 Bob Brown
82 Phil Miller
87 Bob Brown
Date: Thu, 06 Jun 1996 14:02:10 CST
Subject: I made it
Date: Thu, 6 Jun 96 16:31:30 EDT
Subject: Re: I made it
Date: Thu, 6 Jun 1996 16:45:15 -0400
Subject: Re: RE: When Kennedy was shot?
Date: Thu, 6 Jun 1996 18:04:48 -0400
Subject: Re: Class Rolls - Update
Date: Thu, 6 Jun 1996 17:49:28 -0400
Subject: Re: Kennedy Assassination
Date: Wed, 5 Jun 96 20:32:03 EDT
Subject: Class Rolls - Update
69 Glenn Wells
70 George Bridges / Glenn Wells
73 Michelle Forinash
81 Bob Brown
82 Phil Miller
87 Bob Brown
Date: Sun, 9 Jun 1996 22:32:33 -0400
Subject: GET LIONS-DIGEST.9605
Date: Tue, 11 Jun 1996 09:14:00 CST
Subject: RE: GET LIONS-DIGEST.9605
>
>Am I supposed to order this or something?? Let me know?? Glenda
>
>----------
>> From: MOmelanuk
>> Subject: GET LIONS-DIGEST.9605
>> Date: Sunday, June 09, 1996 10:32 PM
>>
>> GET LIONS-DIGEST.9605
>>
>>
>
>
Don't know, I got the same message....see you in August. I'll try not
to use that word! See ya.
Date: Fri, 14 Jun 96 11:57:44 EDT
Subject: Passing Away of Mike Cofer
Date: Fri, 14 Jun 1996 16:12:42 -0400
Subject: Re: Passing Away of Mike Cofer
Date: Mon, 17 Jun 1996 12:40:52 -0400
Subject: Mike & Phil
Date: Tue, 18 Jun 1996 07:10:20 -0400
Subject: [none]
Date: Tue, 18 Jun 96 20:54:58 EDT
Subject: Count 'Em On Your Fingers!
58 ???
73 Michelle Forinash
82 Phil Miller
91 Nathan Francis
Thanks! --BB
Date: 20 Jun 1996 10:51:00 EDT
Subject: Re: Passing Away of Mike Cofer
Date: 20 Jun 1996 10:53:38 EDT
Subject: Mike & Phil
Date: 20 Jun 1996 10:48:46 EDT
Subject: Passing Away of Mike Cofer
Date: Thu, 20 Jun 96 17:29:05 UT
Subject: RE: Ron Slocumb-'60
Sent: Sunday, April 14, 1996 9:23 PM
Subject: Sign-Ins and Mailing List Duplicates
Date: Thu, 20 Jun 1996 20:24:45 -0500
Subject: Re: Passing Away of Mike Cofer
Sorry about Mike. Gotta go.
Date: Fri, 21 Jun 1996 09:33:27 -0400
Subject: Passing Away of Mike Cofer
Date: Fri, 21 Jun 1996 18:31:30 -0400
Subject: Re: Passing Away of Mike Cofer
Date: Fri, 21 Jun 1996 18:37:21 -0400
Subject: RE: Ron Slocumb-'60
Date: Sun, 23 Jun 1996 23:24:47 -0400
Subject: Employment
Date: 24 Jun 1996 07:46:42 EDT
Subject: RE: Mr. Liebendorfer
Date: 24 Jun 1996 08:19:32 EDT
Subject: Re: Passing Away of Mike Cofer
Date: Mon, 24 Jun 1996 05:55:12 -0700
Subject: In Columbus
Class of 65
Date: 24 Jun 1996 08:57:10 EDT
Subject: Employment
Date: Mon, 24 Jun 1996 09:34:54 -0500 (EST)
Subject: Re: Employment
Date: Mon, 24 Jun 96 14:33:24 UT
Subject: RE: Count 'Em On Your Fingers!
Date: 24 Jun 1996 11:25:00 EDT
Subject: Re: Employment
Date: Mon, 24 Jun 1996 13:10:09 -0400
Subject: Re: Employment
Date: Mon, 24 Jun 96 13:40:07 EDT
Subject: Phil Gramm at Baker
Date: Mon, 24 Jun 1996 15:33:57 -0500 (EST)
Subject: Re: Employment
Date: Mon, 24 Jun 1996 15:51:46 -0400
Subject: RE: Phil Gramm at Baker
Date: Mon, 24 Jun 96 16:57:26 EDT
Subject: Gramm at Baker
Date: Mon, 24 Jun 1996 17:15:34 -0400
Subject: RE: Phil Gramm at Baker
Date: Mon, 24 Jun 1996 20:06:23 -0400
Subject: RE: Employment
Date: 25 Jun 1996 08:50:22 EDT
Subject: Employment
Date: 25 Jun 1996 09:29:36 EDT
Subject: RE: Employment
Date: Tue, 25 Jun 1996 10:52:35 EDT
Subject: duplicate mails/etiquette
> This is Elaine Graves (Groves, R. Elaine 67), Baker. I think you sent
> this to me by mistake. Joy White @ aol is the one who
> needed the information. I responded to her query also.
CISE Consultant/Bagel Donator
Date: 25 Jun 1996 16:05:12 EDT
Subject: duplicate mails/etiquette
Date: 25 Jun 1996 16:05:12 EDT
Subject: duplicate mails/etiquette
Jeannie "65
Date: Tue, 25 Jun 1996 17:26:47 -0400
Subject: RE: Employment
Date: Tue, 25 Jun 96 17:48:04 EDT
Subject: Re: duplicate mails/etiquette
* Don't over-quote
* Use the subject line
* Break up the page with spaces between paragraphs
* Watch where your replies are going.
Date: Tue, 25 Jun 96 19:09:10 EDT
Subject: Thought on our mail list
>edit class of '65 from G to??
Date: Tue, 25 Jun 1996 20:33:47 -0400
Subject: RE: Employment
mill town to lots of white collar jobs. Been here all my life and don't
have any reason to leave. Yes Baker Village is still standing and yes,
crime is high in South Columbus. Baker is a middle school now.
Date: 26 Jun 1996 10:32:22 EDT
Subject: Thought on our mail list
Date: 26 Jun 1996 10:21:30 EDT
Subject: Thought on our mail list
Date: 26 Jun 1996 10:27:58 EDT
Subject: Re: duplicate mails/etiquette
LI>communicate with us; this mailing list is a bright spot in a lot of
LI>people's days!
LI> --Bob '65
Date: Wed, 26 Jun 1996 12:43:45 EDT
Subject: Re: duplicate mails/etiquette
> maintaining the Web archive of the mailing list, and one of the things
> he has to do is chop out a lot of quoting each month.
Ours is archived automagically as each message is sent.
Date: 27 Jun 1996 10:18:08 EDT
Subject: Definition needed!
Could it be hard to have potty trained ..... or .....
What exactly.....?
After allllllll we are all computer geeks....or .....
would we be here?
Have a better and better day!!!
Date: Thu, 27 Jun 1996 14:45:44 EDT
Subject: Re: Definition needed!
(Thus, my theory!) :)
CISE Consultant/Bagel Donator
Date: 27 Jun 1996 16:24:30 EDT
Subject: Re: Definition needed!
Date: Fri, 28 Jun 1996 10:42:06 EDT
Subject: Re: Definition needed!
> R. Elaine Groves 67 .... Graves really
It became so well appreciated that one of them named a
new machine 'bagel' in honor of my "philanthropic
deeds" as he refered to it...
CISE Consultant/Bagel Donator
Date: 28 Jun 1996 11:23:20 EDT
Subject: Bagels and other muncheables...
Just pulling your leg...........};->